Aromatherapy Vigor

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Having been a past passenger on Princess you have now stepped up to quallity with HAL.  Holland America is awesome for service and food. The Zuirdam is terrrific as well.  The moment you step on board, a white-gloved steward will escort you to your stateroom where you will find all the comforts of home, as well as a few of the surprises that have made Holland America Line the world’s finest premium cruise line. Throughout your voyage with us, attentive cabin stewards provide unobtrusive service, replenishing ice and arranging fresh fruit, turning down beds and leaving Sweet Dreams chocolates. Our gracious crew members dedicate themselves to your satisfaction and are known for impeccable five-star service. On average, our staterooms are 25 percent larger than on other ships in our category, giving you more room to stretch out. All staterooms include self-controlled air conditioning; a telephone and closed circuit TV; luxurious soaps, shampoos and lotions; music channel system; and 24-hour complimentary room service.   Guests of Holland America Line already enjoy the most spacious and elegant accommodations in premium cruising. Ongoing enhancements include these additional amenities: – Premium Plush Euro-Top mattresses* – Highest-quality cotton bed linens – Large, plush towels and deluxe terry bathrobes – Massage shower heads – Lighted, magnifying make-up mirrors – Salon-quality dryers – Welcome basket of fresh fruit – Elegant stainless-steel ice buckets and beverage serving trays   variety of wonderful ways

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I’m booked!  Just made my arrangements to sail solo on the Zuiderdam on December 11th.  Need to get outta here!  Should be interesting sailing solo, but hey, I need the R&R for a week, and I can take along books, the iPod, workout at the gym, etc.  Didn’t get to take any time off between starting my new job, so I told them I needed to hit the road in December.  Going with an outside cabin to keep $ down…  I’m sure I’ll miss my balcony , but decided to buy a leather jacket for the winter instead lol.  Anyone else sailing on this trip by any chance?  Have to go hit the various cruise boards and make some new friends in advance. Anyhow, happy to be on the high seas again in just a month (perpetual late booker that I am….)  Will get to go to my first private island (weather permitting of course) so that should be interesting.  Caused a bit of a stir on the Cruise Critic boards asking if there was a nude bathing area on Half Moon Cay…..ooops!  HAL, watch out, here I come! Jeff

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I’m pushing the envelope here Lee lol!  Actually, the thread turned up some leads and it looks like a little nude sunbathing might work on HMC in a remote area.  F*ck it, I’m going to go off and give it a whirl! Looking forward to bringing down the median age of my sailing….. Jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->(weather permitting of course) so that should be interesting.  Caused a >bit of a stir on the Cruise Critic boards asking if there was a nude >bathing area on Half Moon Cay…..ooops!  HAL, watch out, here I come! > I don’t think nude sun bathing and HAL go together.

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> I’m pushing the envelope here Lee lol!  Actually, the thread turned up > some leads and it looks like a little nude sunbathing might work on HMC in > a remote area.  F*ck it, I’m going to go off and give it a whirl! > Looking forward to bringing down the median age of my sailing…..

Enjoy.  I understand completely… I had to do a "post surgery" get away a few weeks ago myself. –Tom

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>>I’m pushing the envelope here Lee lol!  Actually, the thread turned up >some leads and it looks like a little nude sunbathing might work on HMC >in a remote area.  F*ck it, I’m going to go off and give it a whirl! >Check with folks working on board, particularly dancers.   Often >they have some place that they sneak away to to get away from >PAX.

I wouldn’t mind doing some other nude activities with some of the dancers… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Looking forward to bringing down the median age of my sailing….. >Do what you can, Jeff — but there’s only one of you…

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> I’m booked!  Just made my arrangements to sail solo on the Zuiderdam on > December 11th.  Need to get outta here!  Should be interesting sailing > solo, but hey, I need the R&R for a week, and I can take along books, > the iPod, workout at the gym, etc.  

I sailed solo on Zuidy last March and LOVED it! No problems meeting people while on board . The maitre d’ did a great job – I was seated at a table with several others who were also travelling solo so that was a starting point. Really enjoyed spreading out in my cabin – using ALL the drawers (even if I only put one thing in them) and ALL the hangers. Quite a luxury. By the way…you might just get an upgrade to a dreamy verandah. I booked an obstructed view guarantee. First actual assigned cabin was a regular outside. 24 hours before the cruise I was upgraded to a verandah. I felt incredibly spoiled the whole week. I’m booked on the Oosterdam this coming March and plan to invest in the weekly pass to the "Thermal Suite". One of my table mates took the plunge and couldn’t stop talking about it all week – seems like a lot of $$ to spend on heated tile chaises, aromatherapy steam and that special hydrotherapy pool – but I’m DOIN’ IT!!! Lee

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>I have read elsewhere that the CD on the Zuiderdam is very friendly and >hip (it’s the new HAL after all lol….) so I plan on asking him and the >usual suspects.  I want Half Moon Cay to be Full Moon Cay lol!

Was a lady by the name of Dottie a few months ago

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You’re probably right, lol, but maybe someone could sit on my back while I do pushups or something.  Wonder how people in the Soviet bloc used to work out lol… Jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > right jeff those bouncy ball exercises are gonna pump up your chest, > big time.

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Lee — some good ideas there.  I did book a specific cabin (outside) and it looks like the sailing is just about sold out.  I will go look at the termal suite thingee…sounds nice.  Hope to get a nice dinner table with a nice mix of folks.  And or, people who like either martinis or roulette lol…. Jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’m booked!  Just made my arrangements to sail solo on the Zuiderdam on >December 11th.  Need to get outta here!  Should be interesting sailing >solo, but hey, I need the R&R for a week, and I can take along books, >the iPod, workout at the gym, etc.   > I sailed solo on Zuidy last March and LOVED it! No problems meeting > people while on board . The maitre d’ did a great job – I was seated > at a table with several others who were also travelling solo so that > was a starting point. Really enjoyed spreading out in my cabin – using > ALL the drawers (even if I only put one thing in them) and ALL the > hangers. Quite a luxury. > By the way…you might just get an upgrade to a dreamy verandah. I > booked an obstructed view guarantee. First actual assigned cabin was a > regular outside. 24 hours before the cruise I was upgraded to a > verandah. I felt incredibly spoiled the whole week. > I’m booked on the Oosterdam this coming March and plan to invest in > the weekly pass to the "Thermal Suite". One of my table mates took the > plunge and couldn’t stop talking about it all week – seems like a lot > of $$ to spend on heated tile chaises, aromatherapy steam and that > special hydrotherapy pool – but I’m DOIN’ IT!!! > Lee

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>>I have read elsewhere that the CD on the Zuiderdam is very friendly and >hip (it’s the new HAL after all lol….) so I plan on asking him and the >usual suspects.  I want Half Moon Cay to be Full Moon Cay lol! > Was a lady by the name of Dottie a few months ago

Yep, I don’t usually care too much for CDs, but Dottie is ok, and willing  to try new things (she ran an afternoon disco in the crows nest for Eileen and I).  This was totally new for HAL.  So I don’t see why she wouldn’t be willing to do a nude sunbathing party for Jeff, Howie

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You could probably ask the dude who runs the fitness center to do that for you, Jeff.  Especially the something (lol). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > You’re probably right, lol, but maybe someone could sit on my back while > I do pushups or something.  Wonder how people in the Soviet bloc used to > work out lol… > Jeff > right jeff those bouncy ball exercises are gonna pump up your > chest, big time.

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> I’m booked on the same cruise Dec 11th.  This long awaited from my last > cruise Nov 2003 to Canada/New England on Norwegian Dream. > I tried to book the private cabana on HMC about a month ago.  Was told they > are already booked up.  Has anyone booked the private cabana on HMC?  Sounds > like a great place to have a party.  They weren’t there last year when I was > on the Zuiderdam. > Ellen

There are only 4 of them, if I remember correctly, and suite passengers get priority on booking.  My wife and I almost booked one last Jan, but we decided at the last minute that it was too far for her to walk.  They are really not very attractive. Howie

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Hmmmmm, to get a GPS or not???? Jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Cool!  Maybe I need to get a GPS thingee??  I def will bring my little >binoculars.  Thanks Lee. > Here’s my waypoint for Princess Cays, if you want to find it on a map: > W  PRNCAY N24 37.5992 W076 11.0764 > Fri Apr 14 14:55:48 1995 14-APR-95 14:55 > ….collected with a $500+ GPS that I recently sold to a cow-orker > for $20.    Maybe onboard art isn’t such a bad investment!

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> Uh oh, Houston we have a problem, lol.  Hmmmm, that could be a > challenge.  I can deal with a good machine workout, such as their > limitations may be, but I round it out with some good dumbbell work….I > do flat bench flys with 50# in each hand….hmmmm….. > This may not work!  Ok….maybe need to learn the bouncey ball exercises. > Jeff

right jeff those bouncy ball exercises are gonna pump up your chest, big time. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >  what’s > really sorry, however, are the dumbells, which only go up to a max of > 37.5 lbs. > Howie

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I’m booked on the same cruise Dec 11th.  This long awaited from my last cruise Nov 2003 to Canada/New England on Norwegian Dream. I tried to book the private cabana on HMC about a month ago.  Was told they are already booked up.  Has anyone booked the private cabana on HMC?  Sounds like a great place to have a party.  They weren’t there last year when I was on the Zuiderdam. Ellen

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m booked!  Just made my arrangements to sail solo on the Zuiderdam on > December 11th.  Need to get outta here!  Should be interesting sailing > solo, but hey, I need the R&R for a week, and I can take along books, > the iPod, workout at the gym, etc.  Didn’t get to take any time off > between starting my new job, so I told them I needed to hit the road in > December.  Going with an outside cabin to keep $ down…  I’m sure I’ll > miss my balcony , but decided to buy a leather jacket for the winter > instead lol.  Anyone else sailing on this trip by any chance?  Have to > go hit the various cruise boards and make some new friends in advance. > Anyhow, happy to be on the high seas again in just a month (perpetual > late booker that I am….)  Will get to go to my first private island > (weather permitting of course) so that should be interesting.  Caused a > bit of a stir on the Cruise Critic boards asking if there was a nude > bathing area on Half Moon Cay…..ooops!  HAL, watch out, here I come! > Jeff

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> lmao. no way would they arrest you, dude. but if the ship goes to st. > martin, you can always wait, and get nekkid (always liked the way they > said "naked" when i lived in texas) with others on orient beach.

They might not arrest him but they might put him off the ship at the next port. — Charles

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Uh oh, Houston we have a problem, lol.  Hmmmm, that could be a challenge.  I can deal with a good machine workout, such as their limitations may be, but I round it out with some good dumbbell work….I do flat bench flys with 50# in each hand….hmmmm….. This may not work!  Ok….maybe need to learn the bouncey ball exercises. Jeff

  what’s – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> really sorry, however, are the dumbells, which only go up to a max of > 37.5 lbs. > Howie

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>>lmao. no way would they arrest you, dude. but if the ship goes to st. >martin, you can always wait, and get nekkid (always liked the way they >said "naked" when i lived in texas) with others on orient beach. > They might not arrest him but they might put him off the ship at the > next port.

lol. no way, charles.

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> No palm trees???  :(  Hmmmmm…. > Not sure they would arrest a guest for being naked….I would think not > (doesn’t lead to total guest satisfaction) unless you were right in > people’s faces.  I’ll nose around and see if its doable.  And I am

lmao. no way would they arrest you, dude. but if the ship goes to st. martin, you can always wait, and get nekkid (always liked the way they said "naked" when i lived in texas) with others on orient beach. > definitely doing late seating.  I like my day to last and like my early > evening to hit the gym and other stuff….6 pm is just too early for me > to eat generally!

the gym on the zuidy is kind of lame. they have the standard machines, and of course, like most ships except for carnival, no barbells.  what’s really sorry, however, are the dumbells, which only go up to a max of 37.5 lbs. Howie

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Cool!  Maybe I need to get a GPS thingee??  I def will bring my little binoculars.  Thanks Lee. Jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Now this is going to sound stupid, but is HMC really an island?  I know > It’s actually Little San Salvador Island.    24 34N  75 56W > If you’re looking on a map/chart, it’s east-south-east from Eleuthera. > Princess Cays is on the southwestern tip of Eleuthera, about 12 > miles from HMC. > If you’re on a high enough deck on a ship at one, you can often > see a ship at the other.

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No palm trees???  :(  Hmmmmm…. Not sure they would arrest a guest for being naked….I would think not (doesn’t lead to total guest satisfaction) unless you were right in people’s faces.  I’ll nose around and see if its doable.  And I am definitely doing late seating.  I like my day to last and like my early evening to hit the gym and other stuff….6 pm is just too early for me to eat generally! Jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Jeff, > Half Moon Cay is basically scrub and away from the beach areas not much > else.  The only place you can get out of the sun are the HAL provided > beach shelters, and the picnic area.  There are no tall palm trees.  It > is part of the Bahamas.  A skeleton crew remains behind to clean-up and > prepare for the next HAL ship.  But at night most of the workers hop a > boat and head for Bahama main islands.  I don’t know if Bahama security > guards are empowered to make arrests.  I wouldn’t want to be the only > one on the island minus swim trunks to find out what could happen if > caught.  If you don’t mind being with a lot of gay men, Atlantis > periodically charters Carnival ships and has an entire clothing optional > section of sun deck. > Don’t waste your time on some of these cruise companion sites.  Just > arrange for a late seating in the main dining room and select a table > for 6.  You’re bound to hit it off with at least 2.  From there you can > build.  I take the late seating because that way I don’t have to rush > back for dinner.  If the ship is in port for a while, I can do more > stuff and still make dinner.  Also, I’ve found that tables at the late > seating are more mellow and friendly.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Now this is going to sound stupid, but is HMC really an island?  I > know some of the private islands are but penisulas, etc.  Is there > anything else on HMC besides HMC?  Do people live there?  Just > wondering what there might be to explore, since I won’t be in the sun > every second I’m sure.  I am sure to have a blast regardless…..try > to make fun wherever I may be! > Jeff > Been on the ship twice, Jeff. Each time, there were enough younger, > and much younger people to have a good late night time.  Half Moon > Cay is one of the nicest cruise-ship private islands around.  Never > found a nude bathing area on the island; but if you walk all the way > down to the end of the beach (easy for someone in halfway decent > shape), you will find a considerable amount of privacy.  Have a blast. > Howie

Jeff, Half Moon Cay is basically scrub and away from the beach areas not much else.  The only place you can get out of the sun are the HAL provided beach shelters, and the picnic area.  There are no tall palm trees.  It is part of the Bahamas.  A skeleton crew remains behind to clean-up and prepare for the next HAL ship.  But at night most of the workers hop a boat and head for Bahama main islands.  I don’t know if Bahama security guards are empowered to make arrests.  I wouldn’t want to be the only one on the island minus swim trunks to find out what could happen if caught.  If you don’t mind being with a lot of gay men, Atlantis periodically charters Carnival ships and has an entire clothing optional section of sun deck. Don’t waste your time on some of these cruise companion sites.  Just arrange for a late seating in the main dining room and select a table for 6.  You’re bound to hit it off with at least 2.  From there you can build.  I take the late seating because that way I don’t have to rush back for dinner.  If the ship is in port for a while, I can do more stuff and still make dinner.  Also, I’ve found that tables at the late seating are more mellow and friendly. —  To  email me, Edit "xt" from my email address.   Brian M. Kochera    "Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once!"  View My Web Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~brian1951

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I have read elsewhere that the CD on the Zuiderdam is very friendly and hip (it’s the new HAL after all lol….) so I plan on asking him and the usual suspects.  I want Half Moon Cay to be Full Moon Cay lol! Jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’m pushing the envelope here Lee lol!  Actually, the thread turned up >some leads and it looks like a little nude sunbathing might work on HMC >in a remote area.  F*ck it, I’m going to go off and give it a whirl! > Check with folks working on board, particularly dancers.   Often > they have some place that they sneak away to to get away from > PAX. >Looking forward to bringing down the median age of my sailing….. > Do what you can, Jeff — but there’s only one of you…

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Now this is going to sound stupid, but is HMC really an island?  I know some of the private islands are but penisulas, etc.  Is there anything else on HMC besides HMC?  Do people live there?  Just wondering what there might be to explore, since I won’t be in the sun every second I’m sure.  I am sure to have a blast regardless…..try to make fun wherever I may be! Jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Been on the ship twice, Jeff. Each time, there were enough younger, and > much younger people to have a good late night time.  Half Moon Cay is > one of the nicest cruise-ship private islands around.  Never found a > nude bathing area on the island; but if you walk all the way down to the > end of the beach (easy for someone in halfway decent shape), you will > find a considerable amount of privacy.  Have a blast. > Howie

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>I’m pushing the envelope here Lee lol!  Actually, the thread turned up >some leads and it looks like a little nude sunbathing might work on HMC >in a remote area.  F*ck it, I’m going to go off and give it a whirl!

Jeff, Hubby and I were on the Maasdam in 2001 with RSVP.  As you are on the ship facing the island, walk ALL the way to the end (to the left) and around the point. It’s very remote, beautiful and, at least on our trip, there were several guys sans suits down there.  After awhile, we were the only ones and had some fun of our own!  There was one point where we had to walk out into the water around some rocks but it was only waist high and we had our stuff in plastic bags.  The walk is about 3.5 to 4 miles one way (that’s what the life guard said anyway). We had enough time to get the last tender back to the ship.  One of my fonder memories.  Also on our trip, about a half mile from the HAL compound, some of guys were nude but then it was an RSVP cruise! Doug

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I’m booked!  Just made my arrangements to sail solo on the Zuiderdam on > December 11th.  Need to get outta here!  Should be interesting sailing > solo, but hey, I need the R&R for a week, and I can take along books, > the iPod, workout at the gym, etc.  Didn’t get to take any time off > between starting my new job, so I told them I needed to hit the road in > December.  Going with an outside cabin to keep $ down…  I’m sure I’ll > miss my balcony , but decided to buy a leather jacket for the winter > instead lol.  Anyone else sailing on this trip by any chance?  Have to > go hit the various cruise boards and make some new friends in advance. > Anyhow, happy to be on the high seas again in just a month (perpetual > late booker that I am….)  Will get to go to my first private island > (weather permitting of course) so that should be interesting.  Caused a > bit of a stir on the Cruise Critic boards asking if there was a nude > bathing area on Half Moon Cay…..ooops!  HAL, watch out, here I come! > Jeff

Been on the ship twice, Jeff. Each time, there were enough younger, and much younger people to have a good late night time.  Half Moon Cay is one of the nicest cruise-ship private islands around.  Never found a nude bathing area on the island; but if you walk all the way down to the end of the beach (easy for someone in halfway decent shape), you will find a considerable amount of privacy.  Have a blast. Howie

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Anthony, Thank you for you advice. I like the idea of getting my MEP to help. I will post back any response I get. Happy St P’s for yesterday! Jamie. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > "Without prequdice" > Hi, > I would suggest that you contact your MEP for your area and the Spanish > Embassy and pose the question "Are there any legal restrictions pertaining > to the practice of Complementary/Alternative medicine in Spain, and if there > is, what are the stipulations/requirements in respect of aromatherapy?" > I am disgusted when I read advertisements for courses leading to > qualifications which are "Internationally recognised".  They are usually the > claims of private companies/schools/individuals who intentionally or > unintentionally mislead the public.  "Its not the cowboys you need to worry > about, but, the indians".  Information re the above should only be sought > from official sources – otherwise it can be a load of "Japanese flute music" > (Bull).  Also check out the question of insurance – will the insurers > recognise your qualification(s)? > Anthony Larkin > Founder of the National Register of Reflexologists (Ireland). > http://homepage.eircom.net/~footman > I’m an ITEC qualified aromatherapist and EU citizen based in the > United Kingdom. I’ve been offered the chance to live in Spain for two > years. Am I permitted to practice in Spain? Are my qualifications > recognized in mainland Europe? > Thanks, > Jamie.

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"Without prequdice" Hi, I would suggest that you contact your MEP for your area and the Spanish Embassy and pose the question "Are there any legal restrictions pertaining to the practice of Complementary/Alternative medicine in Spain, and if there is, what are the stipulations/requirements in respect of aromatherapy?" I am disgusted when I read advertisements for courses leading to qualifications which are "Internationally recognised".  They are usually the claims of private companies/schools/individuals who intentionally or unintentionally mislead the public.  "Its not the cowboys you need to worry about, but, the indians".  Information re the above should only be sought from official sources – otherwise it can be a load of "Japanese flute music" (Bull).  Also check out the question of insurance – will the insurers recognise your qualification(s)? Anthony Larkin Founder of the National Register of Reflexologists (Ireland). http://homepage.eircom.net/~footman

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m an ITEC qualified aromatherapist and EU citizen based in the > United Kingdom. I’ve been offered the chance to live in Spain for two > years. Am I permitted to practice in Spain? Are my qualifications > recognized in mainland Europe? > Thanks, > Jamie.

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I’m an ITEC qualified aromatherapist and EU citizen based in the United Kingdom. I’ve been offered the chance to live in Spain for two years. Am I permitted to practice in Spain? Are my qualifications recognized in mainland Europe? Thanks, Jamie.

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And after you "get" those five you got to ask the grouchy old asshole Bob W before you can even think about sucking one of them little white dog dicks. Bob W QOF

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just remember this. Before you smoke you must ask for permission on this > group. You must have 5? people say its ok. Personnally I think the rule > should change to 5 OFs saying yes. So just remember that. Take care and also > remember this rule. Take what you need give what you can. > hello everyone – > I couldn’t sleep last night, thinking about how I’ve lasted 3 weeks > without a smoke… calmed myself by deciding to post FINALLY to as3 & > thank all you wonderful posters for giving me (and LOTS of lurkers > past present & future) what it takes to stick with it.  Then I > couldn’t sleep, composing a message in my head – and now I’ve > forgotten it so let me just send a big sweet-breath smooch to everyone > out there. > A short story about me – started smoking in college after observing > the habits of cool people I admired… cut down from 1 pack/day to 6 > smokes/day at age 23 as part of a wildly successful string of > lifestyle changes (also went vegetarian and started working out > regularly at the same time)… switched from a major evil brand to > American Spirits 8 years ago or so… started trying to quit on and > off (mostly off) 5 years ago, quits lasting between 6 hours and 6 > days, *SIGH*  Who would have thought that 6 cigarettes a day, and a > solitary, inconvenient 6 at that, would be so damn hard to let go? > It’s been easy to justify smoking – a lifestyle otherwise full of > healthy habits (so I’m overcompensating for smoking, right, LOL!), a > relatively few cigs a day, and "all-natural" ones at that, etc. etc. > But I’ve been feeling inconsistent and troubled about it for a long > time, and as I approached my 36th birthday (June 11) I realized that > I’ll have spent half my life as a smoker.  Horrifying.  I gave my > non-smoking spouse my last half-pack near midnight on the 10th and > asked him to hide them for me "just in case" (I haven’t asked for them > back, and it’s time I let him just throw them out), and now look at my > meter! > spouse, lots of water, angry workouts at the Y where smoking is not > allowed, angry reading sessions at the library where smoking is not > allowed, aromatherapy oils, crying, yelling, breaking it down into > hours or minutes when needed, loving the occasional surges of pride > and joy at my accomplishment, and probably most of all, reading as3 > every chance I get – being with the struggles and the encouragement of > everyone posting here, and knowing I’m part of the same struggle and > part of this amazingly healthy community.  THANK YOU. > My online time is very limited, and I hope to participate with more > posting and less lurking, but I don’t know – I need to use the time to > catch up with all the messages!  But either way, I really appreciate > this place and you people who are working so hard to quit or stay quit > and still have time to support all the rest of us. > Keep me in mind please – after 3 weeks without a puff, I’ve lasted far > longer than ever before and feel buoyant and positive, but I also feel > like this quit is still fragile… think about smoking a LOT and am > scared sometimes.  Best wishes to all of you, and thanks, > janet > Three weeks, 12 hours, 25 minutes and 46 seconds. 129 cigarettes not > smoked (or which I’d have enjoyed about 40), saving $22.59. Life > saved: 10 hours, 45 minutes.

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Wow, thanks for the great welcome, folks, and all the support!  I will try to stick around and post, but mostly I will try to stick to NOT SMOKING. (argh, an angry moment passes as I post).  Of course, it’s worth struggling through day 22 just to get the following, which I’ve been watching and wanting a set for my very own >   _o/          __|       /        |__             o     *o/* >    |     __o     o     |       o/       o/_     /|      | >   / )   /) |      (   /o     / )      /  <(    / |     / >  padders is doing cartwheels and shaking her pompoms for ya!

thanks padders & everyone! cheers, janet Three weeks, 22 hours, 23 minutes and 43 seconds. 131 cigarettes not smoked, saving $23.03. Life saved: 10 hours, 55 minutes.

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Dear Janet, Keep up the great quit! You are doing fabulous!!!!!!! Very nice to make your acquaintance! Janet There was never a genius without a tincture of madness. Aristotle

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> janet > Three weeks, 12 hours, 25 minutes and 46 seconds. 129 cigarettes not > smoked (or which I’d have enjoyed about 40), saving $22.59. Life > saved: 10 hours, 45 minutes.

I really enjoyed reading your post, Janet.  Thanks for coming out into the light where we can see you.  Six may not seem like a big number, but this statistic may help you: Lung cancer risk increases roughly 50 to 100 percent for each cigarette you smoke per day. Damn, I lost the citation on that one too. Oh well. Congratulations and good luck!  I hope to see you here lots. -jw  Mr. LaBoingy has not smoked even one single solitary puff for:  One week, three days, 13 hours, 59 minutes and 23 seconds. 317 cigarettes not smoked, saving $87.31, which amount his wife will gladly spend wherever she sees fit.

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Hi Janet, As a reader/lurker, I’m sure you know I’m always behind. *grin* So… two days late, welcome and congratulations on your WWWs ) Glad to see a new face posting. Hope to see more of you. Nicole 4m 3w 6d+ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->hello everyone – >I couldn’t sleep last night, thinking about how I’ve lasted 3 weeks >without a smoke… calmed myself by deciding to post FINALLY to as3 & >thank all you wonderful posters for giving me (and LOTS of lurkers >past present & future) what it takes to stick with it.  Then I >couldn’t sleep, composing a message in my head – and now I’ve >forgotten it so let me just send a big sweet-breath smooch to everyone >out there. >A short story about me – started smoking in college after observing >the habits of cool people I admired… cut down from 1 pack/day to 6 >smokes/day at age 23 as part of a wildly successful string of >lifestyle changes (also went vegetarian and started working out >regularly at the same time)… switched from a major evil brand to >American Spirits 8 years ago or so… started trying to quit on and >off (mostly off) 5 years ago, quits lasting between 6 hours and 6 >days, *SIGH*  Who would have thought that 6 cigarettes a day, and a >solitary, inconvenient 6 at that, would be so damn hard to let go? >It’s been easy to justify smoking – a lifestyle otherwise full of >healthy habits (so I’m overcompensating for smoking, right, LOL!), a >relatively few cigs a day, and "all-natural" ones at that, etc. etc. >But I’ve been feeling inconsistent and troubled about it for a long >time, and as I approached my 36th birthday (June 11) I realized that >I’ll have spent half my life as a smoker.  Horrifying.  I gave my >non-smoking spouse my last half-pack near midnight on the 10th and >asked him to hide them for me "just in case" (I haven’t asked for them >back, and it’s time I let him just throw them out), and now look at my >meter! >spouse, lots of water, angry workouts at the Y where smoking is not >allowed, angry reading sessions at the library where smoking is not >allowed, aromatherapy oils, crying, yelling, breaking it down into >hours or minutes when needed, loving the occasional surges of pride >and joy at my accomplishment, and probably most of all, reading as3 >every chance I get – being with the struggles and the encouragement of >everyone posting here, and knowing I’m part of the same struggle and >part of this amazingly healthy community.  THANK YOU. >My online time is very limited, and I hope to participate with more >posting and less lurking, but I don’t know – I need to use the time to >catch up with all the messages!  But either way, I really appreciate >this place and you people who are working so hard to quit or stay quit >and still have time to support all the rest of us. >Keep me in mind please – after 3 weeks without a puff, I’ve lasted far >longer than ever before and feel buoyant and positive, but I also feel >like this quit is still fragile… think about smoking a LOT and am >scared sometimes.  Best wishes to all of you, and thanks, >janet >Three weeks, 12 hours, 25 minutes and 46 seconds. 129 cigarettes not >smoked (or which I’d have enjoyed about 40), saving $22.59. Life >saved: 10 hours, 45 minutes.

If you hold up your head with a smile on your face and are truly thankful… you are blessed because the majority can, but most do not.

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WTG Janet. And, I know exactly what you mean by those last 6. I was down to 5 a day or less before I quit, and they are hard to let go. The old junkie thinking kicks in "Oh! you’re only smoking a few that can’t hurt". Well over time as you realized, it does. Sounds like you’re doing all the right stuff and have the right attitude. Keep fighting. GregB, One year, two months, four weeks, one day, 8 hours, 7 minutes and 49 seconds. 4553 cigarettes not smoked, saving $728.54. Life saved: 2 weeks, 1 day, 19 hours, 25 minutes.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> hello everyone – > I couldn’t sleep last night, thinking about how I’ve lasted 3 weeks > without a smoke… calmed myself by deciding to post FINALLY to as3 & > thank all you wonderful posters for giving me (and LOTS of lurkers > past present & future) what it takes to stick with it.  Then I > couldn’t sleep, composing a message in my head – and now I’ve > forgotten it so let me just send a big sweet-breath smooch to everyone > out there. > A short story about me – started smoking in college after observing > the habits of cool people I admired… cut down from 1 pack/day to 6 > smokes/day at age 23 as part of a wildly successful string of > lifestyle changes (also went vegetarian and started working out > regularly at the same time)… switched from a major evil brand to > American Spirits 8 years ago or so… started trying to quit on and > off (mostly off) 5 years ago, quits lasting between 6 hours and 6 > days, *SIGH*  Who would have thought that 6 cigarettes a day, and a > solitary, inconvenient 6 at that, would be so damn hard to let go? > It’s been easy to justify smoking – a lifestyle otherwise full of > healthy habits (so I’m overcompensating for smoking, right, LOL!), a > relatively few cigs a day, and "all-natural" ones at that, etc. etc. > But I’ve been feeling inconsistent and troubled about it for a long > time, and as I approached my 36th birthday (June 11) I realized that > I’ll have spent half my life as a smoker.  Horrifying.  I gave my > non-smoking spouse my last half-pack near midnight on the 10th and > asked him to hide them for me "just in case" (I haven’t asked for them > back, and it’s time I let him just throw them out), and now look at my > meter! > spouse, lots of water, angry workouts at the Y where smoking is not > allowed, angry reading sessions at the library where smoking is not > allowed, aromatherapy oils, crying, yelling, breaking it down into > hours or minutes when needed, loving the occasional surges of pride > and joy at my accomplishment, and probably most of all, reading as3 > every chance I get – being with the struggles and the encouragement of > everyone posting here, and knowing I’m part of the same struggle and > part of this amazingly healthy community.  THANK YOU. > My online time is very limited, and I hope to participate with more > posting and less lurking, but I don’t know – I need to use the time to > catch up with all the messages!  But either way, I really appreciate > this place and you people who are working so hard to quit or stay quit > and still have time to support all the rest of us. > Keep me in mind please – after 3 weeks without a puff, I’ve lasted far > longer than ever before and feel buoyant and positive, but I also feel > like this quit is still fragile… think about smoking a LOT and am > scared sometimes.  Best wishes to all of you, and thanks, > janet > Three weeks, 12 hours, 25 minutes and 46 seconds. 129 cigarettes not > smoked (or which I’d have enjoyed about 40), saving $22.59. Life > saved: 10 hours, 45 minutes.

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Just remember this. Before you smoke you must ask for permission on this group. You must have 5? people say its ok. Personnally I think the rule should change to 5 OFs saying yes. So just remember that. Take care and also remember this rule. Take what you need give what you can.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> hello everyone – > I couldn’t sleep last night, thinking about how I’ve lasted 3 weeks > without a smoke… calmed myself by deciding to post FINALLY to as3 & > thank all you wonderful posters for giving me (and LOTS of lurkers > past present & future) what it takes to stick with it.  Then I > couldn’t sleep, composing a message in my head – and now I’ve > forgotten it so let me just send a big sweet-breath smooch to everyone > out there. > A short story about me – started smoking in college after observing > the habits of cool people I admired… cut down from 1 pack/day to 6 > smokes/day at age 23 as part of a wildly successful string of > lifestyle changes (also went vegetarian and started working out > regularly at the same time)… switched from a major evil brand to > American Spirits 8 years ago or so… started trying to quit on and > off (mostly off) 5 years ago, quits lasting between 6 hours and 6 > days, *SIGH*  Who would have thought that 6 cigarettes a day, and a > solitary, inconvenient 6 at that, would be so damn hard to let go? > It’s been easy to justify smoking – a lifestyle otherwise full of > healthy habits (so I’m overcompensating for smoking, right, LOL!), a > relatively few cigs a day, and "all-natural" ones at that, etc. etc. > But I’ve been feeling inconsistent and troubled about it for a long > time, and as I approached my 36th birthday (June 11) I realized that > I’ll have spent half my life as a smoker.  Horrifying.  I gave my > non-smoking spouse my last half-pack near midnight on the 10th and > asked him to hide them for me "just in case" (I haven’t asked for them > back, and it’s time I let him just throw them out), and now look at my > meter! > spouse, lots of water, angry workouts at the Y where smoking is not > allowed, angry reading sessions at the library where smoking is not > allowed, aromatherapy oils, crying, yelling, breaking it down into > hours or minutes when needed, loving the occasional surges of pride > and joy at my accomplishment, and probably most of all, reading as3 > every chance I get – being with the struggles and the encouragement of > everyone posting here, and knowing I’m part of the same struggle and > part of this amazingly healthy community.  THANK YOU. > My online time is very limited, and I hope to participate with more > posting and less lurking, but I don’t know – I need to use the time to > catch up with all the messages!  But either way, I really appreciate > this place and you people who are working so hard to quit or stay quit > and still have time to support all the rest of us. > Keep me in mind please – after 3 weeks without a puff, I’ve lasted far > longer than ever before and feel buoyant and positive, but I also feel > like this quit is still fragile… think about smoking a LOT and am > scared sometimes.  Best wishes to all of you, and thanks, > janet > Three weeks, 12 hours, 25 minutes and 46 seconds. 129 cigarettes not > smoked (or which I’d have enjoyed about 40), saving $22.59. Life > saved: 10 hours, 45 minutes.

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janet-      It was great of you to stop by and share you story. Keep hanging around.      You’re doing a great job.      I quit CT too and know how you feel. It will get better. Judi One month, one day, 16 hours, 33 minutes and 39 seconds. 1471 cigarettes not smoked, saving $294.21. Life saved: 5 days, 2 hours, 35 minutes. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->hello everyone – >I couldn’t sleep last night, thinking about how I’ve lasted 3 weeks >without a smoke… calmed myself by deciding to post FINALLY to as3 & >thank all you wonderful posters for giving me (and LOTS of lurkers >past present & future) what it takes to stick with it.  Then I >couldn’t sleep, composing a message in my head – and now I’ve >forgotten it so let me just send a big sweet-breath smooch to everyone >out there. >A short story about me – started smoking in college after observing >the habits of cool people I admired… cut down from 1 pack/day to 6 >smokes/day at age 23 as part of a wildly successful string of >lifestyle changes (also went vegetarian and started working out >regularly at the same time)… switched from a major evil brand to >American Spirits 8 years ago or so… started trying to quit on and >off (mostly off) 5 years ago, quits lasting between 6 hours and 6 >days, *SIGH*  Who would have thought that 6 cigarettes a day, and a >solitary, inconvenient 6 at that, would be so damn hard to let go? >It’s been easy to justify smoking – a lifestyle otherwise full of >healthy habits (so I’m overcompensating for smoking, right, LOL!), a >relatively few cigs a day, and "all-natural" ones at that, etc. etc. >But I’ve been feeling inconsistent and troubled about it for a long >time, and as I approached my 36th birthday (June 11) I realized that >I’ll have spent half my life as a smoker.  Horrifying.  I gave my >non-smoking spouse my last half-pack near midnight on the 10th and >asked him to hide them for me "just in case" (I haven’t asked for them >back, and it’s time I let him just throw them out), and now look at my >meter! >spouse, lots of water, angry workouts at the Y where smoking is not >allowed, angry reading sessions at the library where smoking is not >allowed, aromatherapy oils, crying, yelling, breaking it down into >hours or minutes when needed, loving the occasional surges of pride >and joy at my accomplishment, and probably most of all, reading as3 >every chance I get – being with the struggles and the encouragement of >everyone posting here, and knowing I’m part of the same struggle and >part of this amazingly healthy community.  THANK YOU. >My online time is very limited, and I hope to participate with more >posting and less lurking, but I don’t know – I need to use the time to >catch up with all the messages!  But either way, I really appreciate >this place and you people who are working so hard to quit or stay quit >and still have time to support all the rest of us. >Keep me in mind please – after 3 weeks without a puff, I’ve lasted far >longer than ever before and feel buoyant and positive, but I also feel >like this quit is still fragile… think about smoking a LOT and am >scared sometimes.  Best wishes to all of you, and thanks, >janet >Three weeks, 12 hours, 25 minutes and 46 seconds. 129 cigarettes not >smoked (or which I’d have enjoyed about 40), saving $22.59. Life >saved: 10 hours, 45 minutes.

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hello everyone – I couldn’t sleep last night, thinking about how I’ve lasted 3 weeks without a smoke… calmed myself by deciding to post FINALLY to as3 & thank all you wonderful posters for giving me (and LOTS of lurkers past present & future) what it takes to stick with it.  Then I couldn’t sleep, composing a message in my head – and now I’ve forgotten it so let me just send a big sweet-breath smooch to everyone out there. A short story about me – started smoking in college after observing the habits of cool people I admired… cut down from 1 pack/day to 6 smokes/day at age 23 as part of a wildly successful string of lifestyle changes (also went vegetarian and started working out regularly at the same time)… switched from a major evil brand to American Spirits 8 years ago or so… started trying to quit on and off (mostly off) 5 years ago, quits lasting between 6 hours and 6 days, *SIGH*  Who would have thought that 6 cigarettes a day, and a solitary, inconvenient 6 at that, would be so damn hard to let go? It’s been easy to justify smoking – a lifestyle otherwise full of healthy habits (so I’m overcompensating for smoking, right, LOL!), a relatively few cigs a day, and "all-natural" ones at that, etc. etc. But I’ve been feeling inconsistent and troubled about it for a long time, and as I approached my 36th birthday (June 11) I realized that I’ll have spent half my life as a smoker.  Horrifying.  I gave my non-smoking spouse my last half-pack near midnight on the 10th and asked him to hide them for me "just in case" (I haven’t asked for them back, and it’s time I let him just throw them out), and now look at my meter! spouse, lots of water, angry workouts at the Y where smoking is not allowed, angry reading sessions at the library where smoking is not allowed, aromatherapy oils, crying, yelling, breaking it down into hours or minutes when needed, loving the occasional surges of pride and joy at my accomplishment, and probably most of all, reading as3 every chance I get – being with the struggles and the encouragement of everyone posting here, and knowing I’m part of the same struggle and part of this amazingly healthy community.  THANK YOU. My online time is very limited, and I hope to participate with more posting and less lurking, but I don’t know – I need to use the time to catch up with all the messages!  But either way, I really appreciate this place and you people who are working so hard to quit or stay quit and still have time to support all the rest of us. Keep me in mind please – after 3 weeks without a puff, I’ve lasted far longer than ever before and feel buoyant and positive, but I also feel like this quit is still fragile… think about smoking a LOT and am scared sometimes.  Best wishes to all of you, and thanks, janet Three weeks, 12 hours, 25 minutes and 46 seconds. 129 cigarettes not smoked (or which I’d have enjoyed about 40), saving $22.59. Life saved: 10 hours, 45 minutes.

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You’re doing great.  I am also looking forward to being smokfree on my birthday.  July 11 I’ll be 33.  All those illnesses and such have a  higher risk after 30 for everyone but, especially females.  We are at a higher risk of osteoporosis and breast cancer.  With all the new aches and pains I acquire each day, that didease really scared me.  Then I heard more women were dying of lung disease, that really scraed me after realizing I had suffered from a cough for over 2 months.  Took a trip to the doc and was diagnosed with early emphysema and asthma.  Treatment for the asthma and quitting smoking has helped with that.  I wish you all the luck with your quit.  as3 has really helped me with my quit. WTG Janet! Robin 2w13h

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> hello everyone – > I couldn’t sleep last night, thinking about how I’ve lasted 3 weeks > without a smoke… calmed myself by deciding to post FINALLY to as3 & > thank all you wonderful posters for giving me (and LOTS of lurkers > past present & future) what it takes to stick with it.  Then I > couldn’t sleep, composing a message in my head – and now I’ve > forgotten it so let me just send a big sweet-breath smooch to everyone > out there. > A short story about me – started smoking in college after observing > the habits of cool people I admired… cut down from 1 pack/day to 6 > smokes/day at age 23 as part of a wildly successful string of > lifestyle changes (also went vegetarian and started working out > regularly at the same time)… switched from a major evil brand to > American Spirits 8 years ago or so… started trying to quit on and > off (mostly off) 5 years ago, quits lasting between 6 hours and 6 > days, *SIGH*  Who would have thought that 6 cigarettes a day, and a > solitary, inconvenient 6 at that, would be so damn hard to let go? > It’s been easy to justify smoking – a lifestyle otherwise full of > healthy habits (so I’m overcompensating for smoking, right, LOL!), a > relatively few cigs a day, and "all-natural" ones at that, etc. etc. > But I’ve been feeling inconsistent and troubled about it for a long > time, and as I approached my 36th birthday (June 11) I realized that > I’ll have spent half my life as a smoker.  Horrifying.  I gave my > non-smoking spouse my last half-pack near midnight on the 10th and > asked him to hide them for me "just in case" (I haven’t asked for them > back, and it’s time I let him just throw them out), and now look at my > meter! > spouse, lots of water, angry workouts at the Y where smoking is not > allowed, angry reading sessions at the library where smoking is not > allowed, aromatherapy oils, crying, yelling, breaking it down into > hours or minutes when needed, loving the occasional surges of pride > and joy at my accomplishment, and probably most of all, reading as3 > every chance I get – being with the struggles and the encouragement of > everyone posting here, and knowing I’m part of the same struggle and > part of this amazingly healthy community.  THANK YOU. > My online time is very limited, and I hope to participate with more > posting and less lurking, but I don’t know – I need to use the time to > catch up with all the messages!  But either way, I really appreciate > this place and you people who are working so hard to quit or stay quit > and still have time to support all the rest of us. > Keep me in mind please – after 3 weeks without a puff, I’ve lasted far > longer than ever before and feel buoyant and positive, but I also feel > like this quit is still fragile… think about smoking a LOT and am > scared sometimes.  Best wishes to all of you, and thanks, > janet > Three weeks, 12 hours, 25 minutes and 46 seconds. 129 cigarettes not > smoked (or which I’d have enjoyed about 40), saving $22.59. Life > saved: 10 hours, 45 minutes.

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Cool! A de-lurking. I wonder how many more there are… anyway – nice to meetcha Janet – be strong sister! John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >hello everyone – >I couldn’t sleep last night, thinking about how I’ve lasted 3 weeks >without a smoke… calmed myself by deciding to post FINALLY to as3 & >thank all you wonderful posters for giving me (and LOTS of lurkers >past present & future) what it takes to stick with it.  Then I >couldn’t sleep, composing a message in my head – and now I’ve >forgotten it so let me just send a big sweet-breath smooch to everyone >out there. >A short story about me – started smoking in college after observing >the habits of cool people I admired… cut down from 1 pack/day to 6 >smokes/day at age 23 as part of a wildly successful string of >lifestyle changes (also went vegetarian and started working out >regularly at the same time)… switched from a major evil brand to >American Spirits 8 years ago or so… started trying to quit on and >off (mostly off) 5 years ago, quits lasting between 6 hours and 6 >days, *SIGH*  Who would have thought that 6 cigarettes a day, and a >solitary, inconvenient 6 at that, would be so damn hard to let go? >It’s been easy to justify smoking – a lifestyle otherwise full of >healthy habits (so I’m overcompensating for smoking, right, LOL!), a >relatively few cigs a day, and "all-natural" ones at that, etc. etc. >But I’ve been feeling inconsistent and troubled about it for a long >time, and as I approached my 36th birthday (June 11) I realized that >I’ll have spent half my life as a smoker.  Horrifying.  I gave my >non-smoking spouse my last half-pack near midnight on the 10th and >asked him to hide them for me "just in case" (I haven’t asked for them >back, and it’s time I let him just throw them out), and now look at my >meter! >spouse, lots of water, angry workouts at the Y where smoking is not >allowed, angry reading sessions at the library where smoking is not >allowed, aromatherapy oils, crying, yelling, breaking it down into >hours or minutes when needed, loving the occasional surges of pride >and joy at my accomplishment, and probably most of all, reading as3 >every chance I get – being with the struggles and the encouragement of >everyone posting here, and knowing I’m part of the same struggle and >part of this amazingly healthy community.  THANK YOU. >My online time is very limited, and I hope to participate with more >posting and less lurking, but I don’t know – I need to use the time to >catch up with all the messages!  But either way, I really appreciate >this place and you people who are working so hard to quit or stay quit >and still have time to support all the rest of us. >Keep me in mind please – after 3 weeks without a puff, I’ve lasted far >longer than ever before and feel buoyant and positive, but I also feel >like this quit is still fragile… think about smoking a LOT and am >scared sometimes.  Best wishes to all of you, and thanks, >janet >Three weeks, 12 hours, 25 minutes and 46 seconds. 129 cigarettes not >smoked (or which I’d have enjoyed about 40), saving $22.59. Life >saved: 10 hours, 45 minutes.

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Oh I love it when a lurker comes out to say hello. Welcome to AS3 Janet, pull up a chair and make yourself comfortable ) WWW is WWWonderful WWWTG GIRL!   _o/          __|       /        |__             o     *o/*    |     __o     o     |       o/       o/_     /|      |   / )   /) |      (   /o     / )      /  <(    / |     /  padders is doing cartwheels and shaking her pompoms for ya! hugs padders plodding on (

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LOL – I think sometimes the people here are a little overly judgmental… but I don’t ever feel like hacking off their body parts! * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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alt.support.grief removed by request. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >Online threats!  Why not come after me, tough guy?  Bring your shit to >> >NC.  If you had any balls, I’d lop them the fuck off and save the >> >planet’s average IQ. >> I have this feeling Jimmy would be hiding under the bed if anyone >> actually showed up. I dunno where that feeling comes from….I just >> don’t know. >I have an idea, but I don’t want to go starting syphilis rumors about >you. > Syphilis? Try the clap.

Nah, I’m more of a gonorrhea type of guy. — James hepler http://www.sorryaboutdresden.com "The fact of the matter is that a very good high-school, unranked, male tennis player can beat the best female tennis player in the world." -O’Reilly Enright

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>> > Furthermore, I have a scorching burning feeling between my legs about > > a day after seeing your granny. >That’s just your acne spreading, pooks.

I wish that’s all it was

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> > Furthermore, I have a scorching burning feeling between my legs about > a day after seeing your granny.

That’s just your acne spreading, pooks. — James hepler http://www.sorryaboutdresden.com "The fact of the matter is that a very good high-school, unranked, male tennis player can beat the best female tennis player in the world." -O’Reilly Enright

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Online threats!  Why not come after me, tough guy?  Bring your shit to > >NC.  If you had any balls, I’d lop them the fuck off and save the > >planet’s average IQ. > I have this feeling Jimmy would be hiding under the bed if anyone > actually showed up. I dunno where that feeling comes from….I just > don’t know. >I have an idea, but I don’t want to go starting syphilis rumors about >you.

Syphilis? Try the clap.

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> >Online threats!  Why not come after me, tough guy?  Bring your shit to >NC.  If you had any balls, I’d lop them the fuck off and save the >planet’s average IQ. > I have this feeling Jimmy would be hiding under the bed if anyone > actually showed up. I dunno where that feeling comes from….I just > don’t know.

I have an idea, but I don’t want to go starting syphilis rumors about you. — James hepler http://www.sorryaboutdresden.com "The fact of the matter is that a very good high-school, unranked, male tennis player can beat the best female tennis player in the world." -O’Reilly Enright

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >Online threats!  Why not come after me, tough guy?  Bring your shit to >> >NC.  If you had any balls, I’d lop them the fuck off and save the >> >planet’s average IQ. >> I have this feeling Jimmy would be hiding under the bed if anyone >> actually showed up. I dunno where that feeling comes from….I just >> don’t know. >Men don’t have reliable feelings.  You must be a woman to have >reliable feelings (aka: womenswayofknowing).  Don’t you have a few >undergarments to change down at the old ladies home?  My granny >said all the ladies at bingo are talking up a storm about ya > All I know about feelings is that I have a reliable  feeling of > throbbing between my legs when I think about you, Jen.  

you’re just going to have to deal with that in whatever way you feel appropriate > Furthermore, I have a scorching burning feeling between my legs about > a day after seeing your granny.

these physical feelings are reliable (and the tests have confirmed this), the intangible ones are where you’re sure to stumble.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Online threats!  Why not come after me, tough guy?  Bring your shit to > >NC.  If you had any balls, I’d lop them the fuck off and save the > >planet’s average IQ. > I have this feeling Jimmy would be hiding under the bed if anyone > actually showed up. I dunno where that feeling comes from….I just > don’t know. >Men don’t have reliable feelings.  You must be a woman to have >reliable feelings (aka: womenswayofknowing).  Don’t you have a few >undergarments to change down at the old ladies home?  My granny >said all the ladies at bingo are talking up a storm about ya

All I know about feelings is that I have a reliable  feeling of throbbing between my legs when I think about you, Jen.   Furthermore, I have a scorching burning feeling between my legs about a day after seeing your granny.

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> >Online threats!  Why not come after me, tough guy?  Bring your shit to >NC.  If you had any balls, I’d lop them the fuck off and save the >planet’s average IQ. > I have this feeling Jimmy would be hiding under the bed if anyone > actually showed up. I dunno where that feeling comes from….I just > don’t know.

Men don’t have reliable feelings.  You must be a woman to have reliable feelings (aka: womenswayofknowing).  Don’t you have a few undergarments to change down at the old ladies home?  My granny said all the ladies at bingo are talking up a storm about ya.

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My apologies to John R.  I urge everyone who has been taken by this to email: Include all headers, of course. James Hepler – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> There are some days when I just want to take a rusty knife and hack the > tits off some of the bitches who post here. > I found another new sig file! > Today is one of those days. > How could you be so affected by Usenet? > Jen, I’d suggest you not show your ugly face. > Online threats!  Why not come after me, tough guy?  Bring your shit to > NC.  If you had any balls, I’d lop them the fuck off and save the > planet’s average IQ. > — > James hepler > http://www.sorryaboutdresden.com > "The fact of the matter is that a very good high-school, unranked, male > tennis player can beat the best female tennis > player in the world." > -O’Reilly Enright

– James hepler http://www.sorryaboutdresden.com "The fact of the matter is that a very good high-school, unranked, male tennis player can beat the best female tennis player in the world." -O’Reilly Enright

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> There are some days when I just want to take a rusty knife and hack the > tits off some of the bitches who post here. > Today is one of those days. > Jen, I’d suggest you not show your ugly face. > JCR

John, you are one sick disgusting jerk.  But hey…that’s typical of men. I have heard several of them talk in a similar manner (though, not quite as graphic with the rusty knife). I despise your type. Besides, what are you doing in a FEMINIST’s newsroom?!?  Good grief…

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> I’m thinking bloody stumps would make a women a bit MORE bitchier. > Maybe some aromatherapy will better suit your needs. Or a spa day. Get a > cucumber facial with an apricot wash. You’ll feel so much better. > Melissa

As you have seen by John’s charming answer to your post, it’s usually smarter NOT to feed the trolls….. gloria p

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> There are some days when I just want to take a rusty knife and hack the > tits off some of the bitches who post here.

I found another new sig file! > Today is one of those days.

How could you be so affected by Usenet? > Jen, I’d suggest you not show your ugly face.

Online threats!  Why not come after me, tough guy?  Bring your shit to NC.  If you had any balls, I’d lop them the fuck off and save the planet’s average IQ. — James hepler http://www.sorryaboutdresden.com "The fact of the matter is that a very good high-school, unranked, male tennis player can beat the best female tennis player in the world." -O’Reilly Enright

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>There are some days when I just want to take a rusty knife and hack the >tits off some of the bitches who post here. >Today is one of those days.

Now, now, John.  Take a pill, or something.  Take a couple of deep breaths.   There.  Isn’t it better now? >Jen, I’d suggest you not show your ugly face.

What would we do without our Jen?  In the immortal words of the head vampire from the X Files, She’s a bit of a kook, but she’s *our* kook.

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 I did not post the article to which I’m responding.  Read its headers; it was posted from an anonymous remailer. The forger is almost certainly Dave Moore, whose past Usenet forgeries I’ve chronicled at http://www.fc.net/~wrain/dmtc.html.  He’s quite fond of forging racist and sexist slurs in the names of his detractors.  By the most extraordinary coincidence, I recently called him out on another forgery; I now find myself dealing with similar forgeries in my own name.  How very subtle. I’m sorry he wasted your time. JCR —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://www.gnupg.org/ — GPLed OpenPGP-compatible encryption iD8DBQE5QaNKf/nQEa9cIUsRAjUfAKCeG97XzH8S2HgL+qViGHAR53VTJwCbBDEf /X7whz8X9d4gOeJKk40iPkA= =jhqm —–END PGP SIGNATURE—–

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 I did not post the article to which I’m responding.  Read its headers; it was posted from an anonymous remailer. The forger is almost certainly Dave Moore, whose past Usenet forgeries I’ve chronicled at http://www.fc.net/~wrain/dmtc.html.  He’s quite fond of forging racist and sexist slurs in the names of his detractors.  By the most extraordinary coincidence, I recently called him out on another forgery; I now find myself dealing with similar forgeries in my own name.  How very subtle. I’m sorry he wasted your time. JCR —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://www.gnupg.org/ — GPLed OpenPGP-compatible encryption iD8DBQE5QaMuf/nQEa9cIUsRAiBoAJ9K2nUcTFLtlzo5by1TwP6h/brwMQCggYgp RlZHYJxEL5n0tH2rRjOUJZQ= =q69v —–END PGP SIGNATURE—–

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>There are some days when I just want to take a rusty knife and hack the >tits off some of the bitches who post here.

Sounds like you have issues. As you were growing up, how was your relationship with your mother?

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I would suppose this doesn’t concern me since the name read Jen, but then again just to confirm…..

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I’m thinking bloody stumps would make a women a bit MORE bitchier. Maybe some aromatherapy will better suit your needs. Or a spa day. Get a cucumber facial with an apricot wash. You’ll feel so much better. Melissa – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > There are some days when I just want to take a rusty knife and hack the > tits off some of the bitches who post here. > Today is one of those days. > Jen, I’d suggest you not show your ugly face. > JCR

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>I’m thinking bloody stumps would make a women a bit MORE bitchier. >Maybe some aromatherapy will better suit your needs. Or a spa day. Get a >cucumber facial with an apricot wash. You’ll feel so much better. >Melissa

I was rather thinking of a sperm facial of me jacking off all over your lovely face. JCR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> There are some days when I just want to take a rusty knife and hack the > tits off some of the bitches who post here. > Today is one of those days. > Jen, I’d suggest you not show your ugly face. > JCR

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There are some days when I just want to take a rusty knife and hack the tits off some of the bitches who post here. Today is one of those days. Jen, I’d suggest you not show your ugly face. JCR

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> >I got all of Bath and Body’s Tranquil Sleep scent.  Good stuff. >Rox > I have that too and their stress fragrance, except it makes my son sneeze! >         :O)  Mary Lynn (mlh)  (O: >  :O)  "Of all the things I’ve lost, I miss my mind the most"  :O)

Ugh! Bath and Body and allergies do NOT do hand in hand. Rox http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/9300

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 >> roflmao, I can just picture that necklace.  > If it would really work, I would wear it!  LOL         SECRET TO WEIGHT LOSS MAY BE AT THE TIP OF YOUR NOSE      While obesity is reaching epidemic proprotion in the United    States, with over 30 percent of the population seriously over-    weight, for many people looking to lose weight the answer may    be right under their noses.      According to a group of researchers, certain smells can help    people lose weight.      "Simply inhaling certain specific scents before eating    resulted in an average weight loss of 19 pounds in only three    month," in a recent study which was published in the Journal    for Advancement in Medicine, explains Dr. Charles B. Hensley,    one of the researchers and the chairman of the non-profit    research lab called BioTem Cytotechnologies.      The theory is the specially formulated aromas cause the body    to believe it has already eaten.  This increases a person’s    feeling of fullness so he or she consumes less food.      Now, a Harvard-trained doctor, Joan Katz, MD, and others    reasearch scientists are calling for participants to become    involved in a study to see how easy it can be to comply with    this theory.      Participants need not count calories, go on special diets or    changed their current levels of exercise.  The researchers are    seeking people who are at least ten pounds overweight, have a    good sense of smell and are willing to remain on the program    and fill out a one-page form each month for one year.  The    study will supply the pen-line aromatherapy product each month    for no product cost.  (Normally, for the 12-month term, that    cost would be $588).  Selected participants can consult a    study doctor at any time.      To see if you meet the qualifications to be selected for    this study, you can call, toll-free, 1-877-637-8839.                                         The Navy Dispatch/At East                                         Thursday, January 6, 2000 … Mental backup in progress – Do Not Disturb! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 — | WarpGate:  Fire Chief 52:1000/200 | The WarpGate Network Internet Gateway El Cajon, CA.

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>Yes and he’s getting to be an annoying little bugger, too.

I forgot he was on and when the monitor powered down and the computer went into power-saving "doze" mode he made me chuckle when, in a darkened room, he pops up with "Have you fogotten about me, Larry?" Still, he is right when he says the lifespan of a Dragonfly, 24 hours, does give a whole new meaning to the term "seize the day." Best, Larry

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>roflmao, I can just picture that necklace.

If it would really work, I would wear it!  LOL         :O)  Mary Lynn (mlh)  (O:  :O)  "Of all the things I’ve lost, I miss my mind the most"  :O)

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I have him on my screen but he doesn’t seem to be connected. I usually use Netscape but even when I open Int. Exp he didn’t seem to know it was there. But he is adorable.  I keep hiding him and he suddenly flies into view with a new joke or something else up his feathered sleeve. What am I doing wrong? Caroline – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> heard if you burn vanilla scent candles, it reduces your >appetite. > I have vanilla candles, vanilla air freshner, vanilla lotion, vanilla body > spray, vanilla bath oil….(I love Bath and Body Shop)….wonder how big I’d be > if I didn’t have all of this!  LOL! >         :O)  Mary Lynn (mlh)  (O: >  :O)  "Of all the things I’ve lost, I miss my mind the most"  :O)

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>I have him on my screen but he doesn’t seem to be connected

I still haven’t had time to really "play" with him to find out all he does, but get him to do a search for me and his homepage has a lot of options to look at.  Right click on his belly and a menu screen will come up.  Maybe Larry or some others have explored more with him and can tell you what to do.  I just moved him to a corner on my screen and from time to time he talks to me.           :O)  Mary Lynn (mlh)  (O:  :O)  "Of all the things I’ve lost, I miss my mind the most"  :O)

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> I just moved >him to a corner on my screen and from time to time he talks to me.   >        :O)  Mary Lynn (mlh)  (O:

Yes and he’s getting to be an annoying little bugger, too. Anne

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>Can anyone tell me where I can find this polly parrot?

http://www.bonzi.com/bonzibuddy/bonzibuddyfriend.asp         :O)  Mary Lynn (mlh)  (O:  :O)  "Of all the things I’ve lost, I miss my mind the most"  :O)

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>I got all of Bath and Body’s Tranquil Sleep scent.  Good stuff. >Rox

I have that too and their stress fragrance, except it makes my son sneeze!           :O)  Mary Lynn (mlh)  (O:  :O)  "Of all the things I’ve lost, I miss my mind the most"  :O)

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I did all of that — even typed into his little search box — he says here we go — and nothing. Caroline – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I have him on my screen but he doesn’t seem to be connected > I still haven’t had time to really "play" with him to find out all he does, but > get him to do a search for me and his homepage has a lot of options to look at. >  Right click on his belly and a menu screen will come up.  Maybe Larry or some > others have explored more with him and can tell you what to do.  I just moved > him to a corner on my screen and from time to time he talks to me. >         :O)  Mary Lynn (mlh)  (O: >  :O)  "Of all the things I’ve lost, I miss my mind the most"  :O)

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Peedy also gave me a great web site  http://hypo.iceblue.com.au  , on reactive hyopglycemia it has a mailing digest and everything. it is very informative. I’m sure this site can help others out there too . Peedy does have a set of instructions and is great to have around.—jessie– – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I did all of that — even typed into his little search box — he says > here we go — and nothing. > Caroline > >I have him on my screen but he doesn’t seem to be connected > I still haven’t had time to really "play" with him to find out all he does, but > get him to do a search for me and his homepage has a lot of options to look at. >  Right click on his belly and a menu screen will come up.  Maybe Larry or some > others have explored more with him and can tell you what to do.  I just moved > him to a corner on my screen and from time to time he talks to me. >         :O)  Mary Lynn (mlh)  (O: >  :O)  "Of all the things I’ve lost, I miss my mind the most"  :O)

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> My little Bonzi "Peedy" Parrot just informed me that smelling bananas and green > apples could help you lose weight.  Hmmm.  Anybody ever heard that before?  I > think I’ll make a fruit necklace and see if I smell them all day if I will lose >         :O)  Mary Lynn (mlh)  (O: >  :O)  "Of all the things I’ve lost, I miss my mind the most"  :O)

roflmao, I can just picture that necklace. Maybe you should add a bone in your hair for balance. It will amuse the neighbors and mailman anyway, tee hee hee Blondie

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> heard if you burn vanilla scent candles, it reduces your >appetite.

I have vanilla candles, vanilla air freshner, vanilla lotion, vanilla body spray, vanilla bath oil….(I love Bath and Body Shop)….wonder how big I’d be if I didn’t have all of this!  LOL!           :O)  Mary Lynn (mlh)  (O:  :O)  "Of all the things I’ve lost, I miss my mind the most"  :O)

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> > heard if you burn vanilla scent candles, it reduces your >appetite. > I have vanilla candles, vanilla air freshner, vanilla lotion, vanilla body > spray, vanilla bath oil….(I love Bath and Body Shop)….wonder how big I’d be > if I didn’t have all of this!  LOL! >         :O)  Mary Lynn (mlh)  (O: >  :O)  "Of all the things I’ve lost, I miss my mind the most"  :O)

I got all of Bath and Body’s Tranquil Sleep scent.  Good stuff. Rox http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/9300

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 > My little Bonzi "Peedy" Parrot just informed me that smelling bananas and  > green apples could help you lose weight.  Hmmm.  Anybody ever heard that  > before?  Nicky Roberts replied with this question:  > So what, you have to smell these things while you are eating  You dip the bananas in the chocolate.  That way, you can have  the best of two worlds.  <g> … If the #2 pencil is the most popular, why is it still #2? ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 — | WarpGate:  Fire Chief 52:1000/200 | The WarpGate Network Internet Gateway El Cajon, CA.

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So what, you have to smell these things while you are eating chocolate?? If Nic. Perth, W. Aus.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My little Bonzi "Peedy" Parrot just informed me that smelling bananas and green > apples could help you lose weight.  Hmmm.  Anybody ever heard that before? I > think I’ll make a fruit necklace and see if I smell them all day if I will lose >         :O)  Mary Lynn (mlh)  (O: >  :O)  "Of all the things I’ve lost, I miss my mind the most"  :O)

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My little Bonzi "Peedy" Parrot just informed me that smelling bananas and green apples could help you lose weight.  Hmmm.  Anybody ever heard that before?  I think I’ll make a fruit necklace and see if I smell them all day if I will lose         :O)  Mary Lynn (mlh)  (O:  :O)  "Of all the things I’ve lost, I miss my mind the most"  :O)

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Haven’t heard this but heard if you burn vanilla scent candles, it reduces your appetite. Jeannette – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > My little Bonzi "Peedy" Parrot just informed me that smelling bananas and green > apples could help you lose weight.  Hmmm.  Anybody ever heard that before?  I > think I’ll make a fruit necklace and see if I smell them all day if I will lose >         :O)  Mary Lynn (mlh)  (O: >  :O)  "Of all the things I’ve lost, I miss my mind the most"  :O)

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NG is NewsGroup; CPAP is Continuous Positive Air Pressure.  The CPAP machine is a small compressor that pumps air through a hose to a mask or other device fitted over your nose and held in place by headgear.  The air pumped by the machine acts as a splint to keep your airway open. Kent Taylor

|> |>It’s probably worth noting on this NG that a CPAP is a source of |>white noise. |> |What do the letters of the acronym actually stand for, please? |– |Michael Forrest

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>It’s probably worth noting on this NG that a CPAP is a source of >white noise.

What do the letters of the acronym actually stand for, please? — Michael Forrest

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> > Increasing night-time noise by adding "white noise" or babbling > brook sounds (etc…) is extremely ill-advised as it can lead to long > term hearing damage. >         Even when just used on vacation?  Especially if they are the > sounds to which they are already familiar?

It’s probably worth noting on this NG that a CPAP is a source of white noise. I usually use plastic earplugs (child-size), both for sleeping in noisy hotel rooms at night and placed loosely in my ears for any scene that might get suddenly very noisy and trigger off my infrequent bouts of hyperacusus (in which everything sounds a hundred times louder than usual). > The only reliable way to *reduce* sound levels at your ear is to use ear > plugs.  The foam type are preferred to wax for long term use. >         Having spent the better parts of whole weeks with them in my > ears, the smooth soft plastic ones with the feathered edges are > vastly more comfortable.

I use the smooth medium-hard plastic ones with the tapered spaced disks.  Do the kinds you like come in child-size?  I’m an adult, but I need narrow earplugs. >         I’ve tried sleeping with ear plugs, I can’t recommend it for sleep > effectiveness.

I don’t  have any trouble falling asleep or staying asleep with earplugs. I do find my ears feel a little sore for the first half hour after I take them out, but after that they feel normal, and there’s no increasing soreness on later nights at the same noisy hotel. > And anyone who works around a street, a construction site, > heavy machinery, or heck, a fast moving river with almost any level of > rapids, probably won’t be able to detect any additional level of hearing loss

The first time I slept in a beach house, I find the sound of the surf disturbing, but I soon got used to it.  I haven’t heard of studies proving that seaside residents suffer more hearing loss than those who live inland. (There are studies that link living very near an airport not just to loss of hearing but also to generally increased health risks, including increased chance of miscarriage, but that’s a LOT louder — and less constant.) And it’s known that musicians (not just rock musicians but those who play in classical orchestras) suffer hearing loss if they don’t use earplugs. >         I think maybe the point you were trying to make is that when > one comes home, they might think about the real need for these devices. > If there is a real problem at home, a sleep disorders clinic, or > possible some accoustic paneling in the bedroom might be in order.

I also recommend double-glazed windows. –Lee Gold

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> >Thanks to everyone who suggested a sleep soundmaker to help people on >vacation mask out the unfamiliar sounds of the place they are visiting. >Here is a summary of the responses, in alphabetical order, and a >mini-review of one of the units: > Miles, > Adding noise does not and can not "mask out" any noise, it merely adds > to it.

        Are they really trying to mask them out by overwhelming them or merely introducing familiar ones? > Increasing night-time noise by adding "white noise" or babbling > brook sounds (etc…) is extremely ill-advised as it can lead to long > term hearing damage.

        Even when just used on vacation?  Especially if they are the sounds to which they are already familiar? > When asleep, your ear’s tolerance of noise is much less than when you > are awake.  Research on this is difficult to carry out as the damage is > long term; it can take years for it to appear, even after you have > stopped abusing your ears.

        I would add that it would be difficult to separate damage from sleep time noises from daytime noises without a fairly large statistical sample. > Nevertheless recent research suggests that 15dB(A) is a sensible maximum > safe sound level, however the limit could well be even lower than that.

        Or apparently higher since research only "suggests" > In daytime terms, 15dB(A) is an extremely low sound level and the white > noise machines and "soothing" tapes and CDs are likely to be played at > much higher sound levels, especially if the ambient noise is high.

        Since we’re throwing numbers around, define that "high" abient noise level.  Oh, and is dB level really the significant factor or is the frequency content of the sound possibly more significant?  It seems that if the ambient noise is so high as to encourage the continued playing of music much higher than 15 dB, THAT noise is probably the primary problem. > The only reliable way to *reduce* sound levels at your ear is to use ear > plugs.  The foam type are preferred to wax for long term use.

        Having spent the better parts of whole weeks with them in my ears, the smooth soft plastic ones with the feathered edges are vastly more comfortable. > For the avoidance of doubt, let me point out that permanent hearing loss > or damage does not occur straight away, or even within weeks of exposure > to loud sound.  Remember, noise levels should be no more than 15dB(A) > when you are asleep.

        Wait, I thought research merely suggested this number? > It may not occur to those of you using white noise and other sounds (in > the hope that they will allow you to sleep better) that your ears are > being damaged.  If you want to read postings from people with hearing > problems (including long term hearing loss due to exposure to excessive > noise) try the Usenet newsgroup:

        Do any of them have experience of hearing loss due to intentional sleep period sounds while on vacation? > alt.support.hearing-loss > I hope you will think again before adding to the problem:  A more > considered approach will help *reduce* the risk of long term deafness.

        I’ve tried sleeping with ear plugs, I can’t recommend it for sleep effectiveness.  I’ve worked around white noise generators and the number one concern for me was the general increase in blood pressure. I can’t imagine using one to sleep by.  But the background noise in any large office building just from the air handlers is amazingly loud (as you find out the first time it goes off).  And anyone who works around a street, a construction site, heavy machinery, or heck, a fast moving river with almost any level of rapids, probably won’t be able to detect any additional level of hearing loss due to the occasional use of electronically generated familiar sounds during sleep while on vacation.  I suspect that "research would suggest" that any contribution to hearing loss would be below the accuracy of any attempt to measure it (should anyone manage to get a grant to conduct such a study).         Considering the other health benefits from restful sleep, I imagine it would be worth any risk that one might take to their hearing by using such devices while on vacation.  Truth be known, if they live in such a loud city as to be disturbed by the quiet elsewhere, generating some while on vacation would also probably not measurably impact the amount of lifetime hearing loss they will already suffer.         I think maybe the point you were trying to make is that when one comes home, they might think about the real need for these devices. If there is a real problem at home, a sleep disorders clinic, or possible some accoustic paneling in the bedroom might be in order.

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>If you want a white-noise generator, rather than buying a "specialist" >device, just tune the AM radio (in your room?) to a space between stations, >set the Sleep mode and drift off to the static hiss……

This can have curious results. I once checked in about midnight and went to bed in a motel in Palm Beach Gardens (wrong side of the tracks from West Palm Beach). At four in the morning I was woken up by a very loud tuning signal followed by fast Spanish. The TV set had been left on by the staff before I checked in but the station had closed down before I got to the bedroom. It was Cuban exiles propaganda I rather sleepily worked out. PS – this was many years ago – I am sure the station runs all night now. — Michael Forrest

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writes >Can someone suggest a device which I can use to drown out the stupid New >Yorker sleeping next door with his subway sounds?  Maybe a 12 gauge shot >gun, huh?

Or a microphone, amplifier and speaker to feed it back to him even louder – or make it howl round till he turns it off. — Michael Forrest

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>> SUMMARY OF ANSWERS AND MINI-REVIEW: > Thanks to everyone who suggested a sleep soundmaker to help people on > vacation mask out the unfamiliar sounds of the place they are visiting. > Here is a summary of the responses, in alphabetical order, and a > mini-review of one of the units: > e. Norelco Sound Selector (available from Skymall, http://www.skymall.com, > 800-SKY-MALL, U$60)

Norelco Sound Selectors are now being sold as Philips Sound Selectors. (Philips uses the Norelco name only in the USA.)  I have a Philips ST300 sound selector myself.  I’ve seen Philips Sound Selectors sold at Sears and Meijer stores.

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Can someone suggest a device which I can use to drown out the stupid New Yorker sleeping next door with his subway sounds?  Maybe a 12 gauge shot gun, huh? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> SUMMARY OF ANSWERS AND MINI-REVIEW: > Thanks to everyone who suggested a sleep soundmaker to help people on > vacation mask out the unfamiliar sounds of the place they are visiting. > Here is a summary of the responses, in alphabetical order, and a > mini-review of one of the units: > a. Brookstone (two models, cheaper about U$80, http://www.brookstone.com) > b. CD player with environmental-sounds CD > c. Devices for tinitus sufferers > d. Garage sale (Marpac Sleep-Mate, mechanical 115 VAC only) > e. Norelco Sound Selector (available from Skymall, http://www.skymall.com, > 800-SKY-MALL, U$60) > f. Radio Shack (U$40, 115 VAC only, page 249 of 1999 catalog) > g. Radio tuned to static between stations > h. Sharper Image (couple of models, http://www.sharperimage.com) > i. Some alarm clock/radios also make white noise > j. Walgreens (Alarm/radio/noisemaker and Conair #SU2 battery/AC > noisemaker, each U$20 and shelved between the diabetes testers and > incontinence supplies. A reader reported seeing a combination > noisemaker/aromatherapy unit at Walgreens.) > (without any of the spaces).

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>Thanks to everyone who suggested a sleep soundmaker to help people on >vacation mask out the unfamiliar sounds of the place they are visiting. >Here is a summary of the responses, in alphabetical order, and a >mini-review of one of the units:

Miles, Adding noise does not and can not "mask out" any noise, it merely adds to it.  Increasing night-time noise by adding "white noise" or babbling brook sounds (etc…) is extremely ill-advised as it can lead to long term hearing damage. When asleep, your ear’s tolerance of noise is much less than when you are awake.  Research on this is difficult to carry out as the damage is long term; it can take years for it to appear, even after you have stopped abusing your ears.   Nevertheless recent research suggests that 15dB(A) is a sensible maximum safe sound level, however the limit could well be even lower than that. In daytime terms, 15dB(A) is an extremely low sound level and the white noise machines and "soothing" tapes and CDs are likely to be played at much higher sound levels, especially if the ambient noise is high. The only reliable way to *reduce* sound levels at your ear is to use ear plugs.  The foam type are preferred to wax for long term use. For the avoidance of doubt, let me point out that permanent hearing loss or damage does not occur straight away, or even within weeks of exposure to loud sound.  Remember, noise levels should be no more than 15dB(A) when you are asleep. It may not occur to those of you using white noise and other sounds (in the hope that they will allow you to sleep better) that your ears are being damaged.  If you want to read postings from people with hearing problems (including long term hearing loss due to exposure to excessive noise) try the Usenet newsgroup: alt.support.hearing-loss I hope you will think again before adding to the problem:  A more considered approach will help *reduce* the risk of long term deafness. — Tony Polson, North Yorkshire, UK

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If you want a white-noise generator, rather than buying a "specialist" device, just tune the AM radio (in your room?) to a space between stations, set the Sleep mode and drift off to the static hiss…… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> SUMMARY OF ANSWERS AND MINI-REVIEW: > Thanks to everyone who suggested a sleep soundmaker to help people on > vacation mask out the unfamiliar sounds of the place they are visiting. > Here is a summary of the responses, in alphabetical order, and a > mini-review of one of the units: > a. Brookstone (two models, cheaper about U$80, http://www.brookstone.com) > b. CD player with environmental-sounds CD > c. Devices for tinitus sufferers > d. Garage sale (Marpac Sleep-Mate, mechanical 115 VAC only) > e. Norelco Sound Selector (available from Skymall, http://www.skymall.com, > 800-SKY-MALL, U$60) > f. Radio Shack (U$40, 115 VAC only, page 249 of 1999 catalog) > g. Radio tuned to static between stations > h. Sharper Image (couple of models, http://www.sharperimage.com) > i. Some alarm clock/radios also make white noise > j. Walgreens (Alarm/radio/noisemaker and Conair #SU2 battery/AC > noisemaker, each U$20 and shelved between the diabetes testers and > incontinence supplies. A reader reported seeing a combination > noisemaker/aromatherapy unit at Walgreens.)

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> There are CDs (and maybe tapes) of oceans, wind blowing through trees, > etc. which friends of mine have bought.  I can’t point you to any particular > music stores or web pages, but knowing they’re out there should help. > –Lee Gold

    Ever hear of Dan Gibson?  I found him in Canada so I’m not sure if he is here in the States.  I’ve just been back in the States for a month now and haven’t looked.  He specializes in nature CD’s and they are wonderful.  Bird songs, animal sounds, stream noises, and soothing music very well done.     He has one called Ocean Surf, too.  That’s the one we use constantly to sleep by. Jo

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ORIGINAL POSTING: >Can anyone suggest a source for an electronic device that makes noise to >assist sleeping? I’m looking for something small, lightweight and >(probably) battery powered, for use on vacations when the ambient sounds >don’t match those around your house. >I’m reminded of a funny movie in which some New York City residents >had such a device…it played the sounds of car horns honking, sirens >blaring and people being mugged, which put them right to sleep  :-)

SUMMARY OF ANSWERS AND MINI-REVIEW: Thanks to everyone who suggested a sleep soundmaker to help people on vacation mask out the unfamiliar sounds of the place they are visiting. Here is a summary of the responses, in alphabetical order, and a mini-review of one of the units: a. Brookstone (two models, cheaper about U$80, http://www.brookstone.com) b. CD player with environmental-sounds CD c. Devices for tinitus sufferers d. Garage sale (Marpac Sleep-Mate, mechanical 115 VAC only) e. Norelco Sound Selector (available from Skymall, http://www.skymall.com, 800-SKY-MALL, U$60) f. Radio Shack (U$40, 115 VAC only, page 249 of 1999 catalog) g. Radio tuned to static between stations h. Sharper Image (couple of models, http://www.sharperimage.com) i. Some alarm clock/radios also make white noise j. Walgreens (Alarm/radio/noisemaker and Conair #SU2 battery/AC noisemaker, each U$20 and shelved between the diabetes testers and incontinence supplies. A reader reported seeing a combination noisemaker/aromatherapy unit at Walgreens.) After researching, I purchased the U$20 Conair unit at Walgreens. It uses four AA cells or a wall-wart transformer (supplied), and plays these sounds: Stream, Heart Beat, White Noise, Ocean Waves, Summer Night and Tropical Forest. It has an optional 60-minute shutoff timer and a volume control. Battery life is unknown. Since the sounds are stored on a chip, they are repeated over and over again. The Tropical Forest sound has a noticeable cycle length of 13 seconds that would probably become objectionable, Ocean Waves has a definite cycle but of variable length, Heartbeat has a cycle (good!), but the other sounds do not have a noticeable cycle. I doubt that any of these units would help those cinematic New Yorkers described above, but they could help travellers from other places. — Miles Abernathy, 512-471-1600

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>Strange as this may sound, I believe the sound coming from my CPAP is "white >noise",

What is a CPAP please? I misread it first time (smiley). — Michael Forrest

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>I heard a talk by an acoustical consultant who had been called in to >solve the aircraft noise problem at the motel.  His solution was to >install devices in the air conditioning outlets that created enough >white noise to mostly drown out the planes.

I wonder if anyone makes a unit that produces comforting snores? It would help me for those occasions when I am away from my spouse for the night in a strange hotel. (smiley) — Michael Forrest

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Strange as this may sound, I believe the sound coming from my CPAP is "white noise", and has something to do with sleeping well.  I have always considered the sound of the furnace blowing as white noise, and the blowing of the CPAP, although a little loder , is pretty much the same.  Walgreens sells 3 or 4 different noise generators that are either plug in ofr battery operated. They even have one that is sound and smell!  I place no stock in aromatherapy, but it is a big seller.  They’ve combined the ocean wave sound with what they must think smells like the ocean.  I can’t imagine that helping, but I bet they sell bunches. > – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Can anyone suggest a source for an electronic device that makes noise to > assist sleeping? I’m looking for something small, lightweight and > (probably) battery powered, for use on vacations when the ambient sounds > don’t match those around your house. > I’m reminded of a funny movie in which some New York residents had such a > device…it played the sounds of car horns honking, sirens blaring and > people being mugged, which put them right to sleep  :-) > Thank you! > — > Miles Abernathy, 512-471-1600

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BROOKSTONE…sells  what you’re looking for, I think (I don’t know about battery powered). They have two different models. One is about $80.00, and another one that is slightly more expensive. They play various sounds–I think the more expensive one actually allows you to buy extra cartridges to add new sounds. I think they have a website…www.brookstone.com.  Then again, Brookstone stores are in just about every large mall across America. Ted Russo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Can anyone suggest a source for an electronic device that makes noise to > assist sleeping? I’m looking for something small, lightweight and > (probably) battery powered, for use on vacations when the ambient sounds > don’t match those around your house. > I’m reminded of a funny movie in which some New York residents had such a > device…it played the sounds of car horns honking, sirens blaring and > people being mugged, which put them right to sleep  :-) > Thank you! > — > Miles Abernathy, 512-471-1600

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> I am not certain, but I think Radio Shack may carry noise generators.

For many years there was a Marriott motel# (low-rise) right off the north end of runway 15/33 at Washington National, and less than a mile away.  This put it close to the path of 18/36, which is more heavily used.  The location might have been the site of the Hot Shoppes* restaurant across from old Hoover Field+. I heard a talk by an acoustical consultant who had been called in to solve the aircraft noise problem at the motel.  His solution was to install devices in the air conditioning outlets that created enough white noise to mostly drown out the planes. Bob C.  # The motel went away quite a few years ago.  * Marriott got its start as the Hot Shoppes chain.  + Hoover Field was closed to allow the Pantagon to be built in its place. It was Washington’s commercial airport until National was built.

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> Can anyone suggest a source for an electronic device that makes noise to > assist sleeping? I’m looking for something small, lightweight and > (probably) battery powered, for use on vacations when the ambient sounds > don’t match those around your house.

Hi, I carry a small am/fm/sw radio. I also don’t mind street side rooms… — "I won’t be wronged.  I won’t be insulted.  I won’t be laid a hand on.  I don’t do these things to other people,  and I require the same from them."  J.B. Books / John Wayne

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http://www.sharperimage.com

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If you’re looking for white noise (static) just bring along a small radio and tune it between stations.

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I am not certain, but I think Radio Shack may carry noise generators. Kent Taylor

|Can anyone suggest a source for an electronic device that makes noise to |assist sleeping? I’m looking for something small, lightweight and |(probably) battery powered, for use on vacations when the ambient sounds |don’t match those around your house. | |I’m reminded of a funny movie in which some New York residents had such a |device…it played the sounds of car horns honking, sirens blaring and |people being mugged, which put them right to sleep  :-) | |Thank you! | |– |Miles Abernathy, 512-471-1600

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The Sharper Image sells a couple of versions.  The price depends upon the number of different noises: white noise, surf, jungle, etc.  It’s a little bedside unit.  You could probably order one from them on-line if you are not near a store.

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Radio Shack sells one for 39.99. It works on 110 volts so is of no use overseas unless you also use a converter.  On page 249 of 1999 catalog. HankH

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Can anyone suggest a source for an electronic device that makes noise to > assist sleeping? I’m looking for something small, lightweight and > (probably) battery powered, for use on vacations when the ambient sounds > don’t match those around your house. > I’m reminded of a funny movie in which some New York residents had such a > device…it played the sounds of car horns honking, sirens blaring and > people being mugged, which put them right to sleep  :-) > Thank you! > — > Miles Abernathy, 512-471-1600

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> Can anyone suggest a source for an electronic device that makes noise to > assist sleeping? I’m looking for something small, lightweight and > (probably) battery powered, for use on vacations when the ambient sounds > don’t match those around your house.

There are CDs (and maybe tapes) of oceans, wind blowing through trees, etc. which friends of mine have bought.  I can’t point you to any particular music stores or web pages, but knowing they’re out there should help. –Lee Gold

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Can anyone suggest a source for an electronic device that makes noise to assist sleeping? I’m looking for something small, lightweight and (probably) battery powered, for use on vacations when the ambient sounds don’t match those around your house. I’m reminded of a funny movie in which some New York residents had such a device…it played the sounds of car horns honking, sirens blaring and people being mugged, which put them right to sleep  :-) Thank you! — Miles Abernathy, 512-471-1600

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>Your view is that anything organized must be bad. How intellectual. You then >must believe it better to have no standards nor to try to achieve quality.

Wrong.  You dismissed something-or-other because no group or government put their stamp of approval on it.  I merely say that the failure of a group or government to put their stamp of approval on something means nothing.  I am not against anything organized.  I am simply saying that their approval or disapproval means nothing.   Roger

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>Good start. This individual claims to be an expert having years of >experience, much as you claim. Even so, you question his/her advice. It would >be nice it the so called professional herbalists expected more from these >expert posts (pros and con, potential side effects, contraindications, >potential drug and alcohol interactions, and so on) and were careful to >recommend discussing any recommendation with their health professional. My >wizard of oz comments have been consistent, full disclosure and honesty. This >is especially important if one sells products and holds one’s self out to be >a professional herbalist (which is an oxymoron since no governmental

So you believe governments.  Your standard is a government, sort of like the IRS or the Postal Service.  What insight! >nor recognized organization

So you believe what is popular.  Another scientific viewpoint. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->exists to exact standards and test the competencies >of individuals claiming such expertise).

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Echinachea, BRN-AV and Capsicum,Garlic W/ Parsley.   Those three products have helped numerous people with the flu going around.  If you would like info. let

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The Homoeopathic Treatment for the flu that I have used for some time (20 years) is Gelsemium Here is a List of the most commonly used remedies for Influenza with their indications and dosages. INFLUENZA Aconite 30 Sudden   onset  with  fever;  great  restlessness  from anxiety, sometimes  with rapid heart beats and dry, painful cough.   This medicine is needed when these symptoms come on after being  out in very cold weather or cold winds. Arsenicum alb. 30 when patient has a bad headache, teasing cough which is worse at night, is restless with anguish and very fearful.  Very often there is a high temperature. Baptisia  30 Gastric flu, sudden attacks of diarrhoea  and  vomiting with great prostration.  Face has a dark, patchy flush; patient  is dull and confused and falls asleep while answering.  Aching in all limbs; headache; restlessness. Belladonna 30 2 hourly when there is  headache,  sore  throat, teasing, tickling  cough; worse Iying  down;  delirium;  neuralgia especially on right side of face and head; inflammation of ears. Bryonia 30 The outstanding symptom  of  patients  needing  this remedy  is that they do not want to move; they are  worse  from movement and want to be left alone and resent being  disturbed.  Thirst for long drinks of cold fluid at long intervals.  Mouth  and lips parched;  dry  hacking cough hurts  the  chest  and  head. Patient is irritable. Gelsemium 30 The onset of flu calling for this remedy is  gradual  - perhaps 2  or 3 days.  Patient looks  drowsy  with  heavy eyelids,  heavy head  and heavy limbs.  He is  a  tired  patient.  Chills  run up and down back and during the fever there  is  no thirst.  There is pain on moving the eyes and bursting  headache from  neck over head to eyes and forehead which  is  better  by copious urination. Eupatorium  perf. 30 Intense aching in the bones of limbs and  back, patient  dare not move for pain.  There  is  bursting  headache, shivering, chills,  vomiting of bile after  drinking;  great  thirst, nausea,  sneezing,  soreness of eyeballs, watering  eyes, hacking cough and hoarseness. Remedies for influenza may be taken at hourly intervals for the first 3 or 4 doses and then at longer intervals as improvement sets in. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Is there a good treatment for this viriulent flu that’s making the rounds >this season?

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One word that has never failed me: Oscillococcinum. After completing cycle of three doses, continue treatment with belladonna and mercurius vivus.   Herbally, garlic/echinacea/goldenseal cycle on and off each day, take as many capsules or as much raw herb as you can. And remember plenty of vitamin C. These are my opinions backed by years of independent study and employment at health stores and do not reflect professional medical advice.

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Got a few problems with this one. > One word that has never failed me: > Oscillococcinum.

Don’t have any idea what this is > After completing cycle of three doses, continue treatment with > belladonna and mercurius vivus.

Belladonna is a deadly poison. Mercury is a poison as well. Maybe you’re referring to HOMEOPATHIC preparations, but for people’s sakes, if that’s the case, say so. Used in whole herb form, these would kill people! > Herbally, garlic/echinacea/goldenseal cycle on and off each day, > take as many capsules or as much raw herb as you can. > And remember plenty of vitamin C. > These are my opinions backed by years of independent study and > employment at health stores and do not reflect professional > medical advice.

Cathy, Wise Weeds http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/wiseweeds/

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>Is there a good treatment for this viriulent flu that’s making the rounds >this season?

Diffuse the essential oils of Ravensara (R. aromatica) and Eucalyptus (E.globus) in the area. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->It seems to be quite strong. You’re down for a few days, then you feel >stronger. You go to sleep, seemingly near the end of the tunnel, then when >you wake up, you feel like you’ve just contracted it. I’ve been through >this cycle 3 times, now, and feel quite fed up with it. >Any suggestions for treatment of this will be met with much gratitude and >great relief. >Sorry about my modified return address, but I hate getting spammed. >My correct address is provided below, if you choose to e-mail me. >In health (eventually), >Dave >– >Dave Carpenter >Sound Logic >Note: "From" address is invalid. >Use: "voicebox at dnai dot com"

– Graham Sorenson        Over 500 UK Suppliers and practitioners listed. The Guide to Aromatherapy and nearly 600 links to other Aromatherapy sites Hundreds of links to alternative health sites http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk/ The Natural Oils Research Association site http://www.acemake.com/NORA/

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Is there a good treatment for this viriulent flu that’s making the rounds this season? It seems to be quite strong. You’re down for a few days, then you feel stronger. You go to sleep, seemingly near the end of the tunnel, then when you wake up, you feel like you’ve just contracted it. I’ve been through this cycle 3 times, now, and feel quite fed up with it. Any suggestions for treatment of this will be met with much gratitude and great relief. Sorry about my modified return address, but I hate getting spammed. My correct address is provided below, if you choose to e-mail me. In health (eventually), Dave — Dave Carpenter Sound Logic Note: "From" address is invalid. Use: "voicebox at dnai dot com"

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I use an all-natural facial buff that exfoliates the skin. It has ginseng extract in it and roman chamomile. Those are the botanical ingredients. The rest of the ingredients are emollients, pH adjuster, stimulant, humectant, preservatives, lubricant, and a gentle abrasive. I don’t know what other herbs would work as an abrasive, besides the cornmeal, which you are already using. The gentle abrasive in the buff I use is Polypropylene. Kay   —  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com               or   —  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I was wondering if anyone was aware of an herb (dried) that can be used to >exfoliate the skin.  I would prefer it to have some healing properties.  The >dried herb will be used in our handmade soaps and will be specifically for >gardeners who need the extra cleaning properties.  We currently use >cornmeal as the "abrasive" ingredient, but there must be something better. >Thanks so much! >Paul S. >Dean Coleman Enterprises >http://www.deancoleman.com >"Herbal Soaps and Aromatherapy Items"

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I was wondering if anyone was aware of an herb (dried) that can be used to exfoliate the skin.  I would prefer it to have some healing properties.  The dried herb will be used in our handmade soaps and will be specifically for gardeners who need the extra cleaning properties.  We currently use cornmeal as the "abrasive" ingredient, but there must be something better. Thanks so much! Paul S. Dean Coleman Enterprises http://www.deancoleman.com "Herbal Soaps and Aromatherapy Items"

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Loved it! LOLROFPIMP – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Dr. Harris Answers Your Questions >Today’s Topic: BWLS >Q: What is BWLS? >A: BWLS is Brown Withering Leaf Syndrome.  It >it diagnosed by observing a brown, withered appearance >on the leaves of the plant.  This is called _atrophy_. >There may also be a reduction in leaf count due to >detachment from the stem.  This is called _truncation_. >Atrophy and truncation usually exist together in BWLS, >but only one is necessary for a proper diagnosis. >Q: What are the treatments for BWLS? >A:  At this time, there is no cure, but Extra Grow ™ and >Spring Grow ™ have both demonstrated efficacy, >both in decreasing atrophy and truncation and >improving pigmentation and plant height. >Q: I heard that water (H2O) is effective for BWLS.  Is >this true? >A: At this time, the literature on the use of H20 is conflicting, >and several studies have found that H20 can actually worsen BWLS. >Q: I heard that there is support for nitrogen in the >treatment of BWLS.  Is this true? >A: Like H20, nitrogen has also yielded conflicting >results, including a worsening of the disease demonstrated >by some studies. >Q: What about pollution?  My plant improved when I >stopped using sewer water to hydrate it. >A: There are various "plant ecologists" who are making >unsubstantiated claims about chemicals "causing" >BWLS, and these people are far outside the mainstream of medical >science.  Until their treatments are proven, I >suggest caution. >Q: I heard that sunlight can reverse BWLS.  Is this >true? >A: Water, nitrogen, and sunlight have all gathered some support but >are problematic in that the research is conflicting and suggests that >these treatments may actually be harmful.  At this time >Extra Grow ™ and Spring Grow ™ are the only >consistently effective treatments documented in the >literature.  Given the frustration on the part of plant >owners, it is understandable that they seek these >various unproven treatments.  But beware of snake oil >salesmen and unsubstantiated claims and money ill spent. >There is a great deal of wild claims-making and speculation >regarding this syndrome, and some of these treatments >employ the very substances which have been found to >exacerbate BWLS.  I strongly suggest you refrain >from these treatments until they gather scientific >support. >– >      (                                           >      |                                           > __G__|_)                             >     | )