Aromatherapy Vigor

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>    Mark,  has your script expired?  ;-) >    Vern

No, only the efficacy has. Mark

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informed me of this: :    Why not use edible soy-based ink in printing presses, and print :> "pictures" of pizzas.  The color-seperation process is divided not :> only into magenta, cyan, yellow and black….but also into pepperoni, :> cheeze, pepper and olive flavored inks. The "paper" would be made out of :the :> same material as those thin "communion" wafers. :> :>   How about writing the Declaration of Independence on paper :> made out of marijuana? No….WAIT,  that one’s been done already. :> :> Mark : :   Mark,  has your script expired?  ;-) : :   Vern Let it be. This is the most origional and funny thing to come out of him in weeks. The corners of my mouth came up a little for this one. I need to laugh so bad. I’m really hurting today.

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You will not be laughing when the FBI comes to you house to ask about the death threats you have been making Hoops.

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That’s way over 100 Mr know it all.  and besides do you realize you are talking to an insane psychozoid with antipsycho tendencies and a failuer to cooperate with bad spelling and no social skills.  And a NG Troll and proud of it. Does that give you a head rush?  The next craze after the killers and fags will be an anti NAFTA jag. I am going to start with a boycott of canadian rock and drool bands.  Then canadian Jazz(do they have jass in canada?)  then canadian folk music  it will go on for about a year.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> (and McDonald’s will soon fill orders by email) > (10/26/00, 10:44 a.m. ET) By Sandy Portnoy, CRN > Visitors to Internet World Fall 2000 at New York’s Jacob K. Javits > Convention Center got their first whiff of DigiScents’ smelly > technology. > This makes me think of some previous, abstract, sensory idea’s > I’ve come up with. Here’s 2 of them: >    Why don’t ski-slopes put Kool-aid in the snow-making machines? > Then you would have fruit-flavored slopes in pretty colors. And when > you fall on your face, you just lay there and eat "snow-cones" till > you get back up. Use artificial sweetners to prevent stickiness and > diabetic problems.  ie…."blueberry hill", "strawberry slopes", > "bust-ass banana", "break-leg lemon", "partial-paralysis peach", etc. >    Why not use edible soy-based ink in printing presses, and print > "pictures" of pizzas.  The color-seperation process is divided not > only into magenta, cyan, yellow and black….but also into pepperoni, > cheeze, pepper and olive flavored inks. The "paper" would be made out of the > same material as those thin "communion" wafers. >   How about writing the Declaration of Independence on paper > made out of marijuana? No….WAIT,  that one’s been done already. > Mark

   Mark,  has your script expired?  ;-)    Vern – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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LMAO!!!  I love the ski slope names! -judy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> (and McDonald’s will soon fill orders by email) > (10/26/00, 10:44 a.m. ET) By Sandy Portnoy, CRN > Visitors to Internet World Fall 2000 at New York’s Jacob K. Javits > Convention Center got their first whiff of DigiScents’ smelly > technology. > This makes me think of some previous, abstract, sensory idea’s > I’ve come up with. Here’s 2 of them: >    Why don’t ski-slopes put Kool-aid in the snow-making machines? > Then you would have fruit-flavored slopes in pretty colors. And when > you fall on your face, you just lay there and eat "snow-cones" till > you get back up. Use artificial sweetners to prevent stickiness and > diabetic problems.  ie…."blueberry hill", "strawberry slopes", > "bust-ass banana", "break-leg lemon", "partial-paralysis peach", etc. >    Why not use edible soy-based ink in printing presses, and print > "pictures" of pizzas.  The color-seperation process is divided not > only into magenta, cyan, yellow and black….but also into pepperoni, > cheeze, pepper and olive flavored inks. The "paper" would be made out of the > same material as those thin "communion" wafers. >   How about writing the Declaration of Independence on paper > made out of marijuana? No….WAIT,  that one’s been done already. > Mark

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> (and McDonald’s will soon fill orders by email) > (10/26/00, 10:44 a.m. ET) By Sandy Portnoy, CRN > Visitors to Internet World Fall 2000 at New York’s Jacob K. Javits > Convention Center got their first whiff of DigiScents’ smelly > technology.

How tacky. Aren’t there enough stinkers around here? Squiggles

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> (and McDonald’s will soon fill orders by email) > (10/26/00, 10:44 a.m. ET) By Sandy Portnoy, CRN > Visitors to Internet World Fall 2000 at New York’s Jacob K. Javits > Convention Center got their first whiff of DigiScents’ smelly > technology.

This makes me think of some previous, abstract, sensory idea’s I’ve come up with. Here’s 2 of them:    Why don’t ski-slopes put Kool-aid in the snow-making machines? Then you would have fruit-flavored slopes in pretty colors. And when you fall on your face, you just lay there and eat "snow-cones" till you get back up. Use artificial sweetners to prevent stickiness and diabetic problems.  ie…."blueberry hill", "strawberry slopes", "bust-ass banana", "break-leg lemon", "partial-paralysis peach", etc.    Why not use edible soy-based ink in printing presses, and print "pictures" of pizzas.  The color-seperation process is divided not only into magenta, cyan, yellow and black….but also into pepperoni, cheeze, pepper and olive flavored inks. The "paper" would be made out of the same material as those thin "communion" wafers.   How about writing the Declaration of Independence on paper made out of marijuana? No….WAIT,  that one’s been done already. Mark

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I have already been introduced thank you, I own a stinking packard bell. Vern

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> (and McDonald’s will soon fill orders by email) > (10/26/00, 10:44 a.m. ET) By Sandy Portnoy, CRN > Visitors to Internet World Fall 2000 at New York’s Jacob K. Javits > Convention Center got their first whiff of DigiScents’ smelly > technology. > "Our company is defining a new field: aromagenomics," said DigiScents > CEO Joel Bellenson. "DigiScents is combining biotechnology, > informatics, and sensory research to create a digital platform that > will revolutionize the world of smell." > The online shopping experience will also be radically transformed by > the new technology, which will be marketed in the spring, Bellenson > said. > DigiScents, a privately held company in Oakland, Calif., is partnering > with websites, including media and gaming companies, and packaged > goods companies to scent-enable the Internet. A partnership with > RealNetworks Inc. (stock: RNWK) will allow Internet users to > experience scents through RealPlayer. > DigiScents technology will be available in Asia-Pacific via the > Internet, e-commerce, and interactive television network of Pacific > Century CyberWorks Ltd. (stock: PCW). DigiScents also has an alliance > with The Procter & Gamble Co. (stock: PG). > "Digital scent will be added to the streaming media, e-mail, online > games, e-commerce, and advertising," Bellenson said. "You will be able > to watch scented flash presentations, send scented greeting cards, > download aromatherapy tracks, and design your own smells and flavors." > Co-founders Bellenson and Dexster Smith got the idea for DigiScents > while vacationing in Florida. While savoring the flavors of tropical > drinks, the fragrance of suntan lotion, and the soothing aroma of the > ocean, they imagined broadcasting these scents over the Internet for > others to enjoy. > DigiScents click ‘n’ sniff scents can be added to a website or a flash > presentation in minutes. The only hard part might be choosing between > chocolate, orange, pine forest, the ocean, perfume, flowers, new car, > etc.

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(and McDonald’s will soon fill orders by email) (10/26/00, 10:44 a.m. ET) By Sandy Portnoy, CRN Visitors to Internet World Fall 2000 at New York’s Jacob K. Javits Convention Center got their first whiff of DigiScents’ smelly technology. "Our company is defining a new field: aromagenomics," said DigiScents CEO Joel Bellenson. "DigiScents is combining biotechnology, informatics, and sensory research to create a digital platform that will revolutionize the world of smell." The online shopping experience will also be radically transformed by the new technology, which will be marketed in the spring, Bellenson said. DigiScents, a privately held company in Oakland, Calif., is partnering with websites, including media and gaming companies, and packaged goods companies to scent-enable the Internet. A partnership with RealNetworks Inc. (stock: RNWK) will allow Internet users to experience scents through RealPlayer. DigiScents technology will be available in Asia-Pacific via the Internet, e-commerce, and interactive television network of Pacific Century CyberWorks Ltd. (stock: PCW). DigiScents also has an alliance with The Procter & Gamble Co. (stock: PG). "Digital scent will be added to the streaming media, e-mail, online games, e-commerce, and advertising," Bellenson said. "You will be able to watch scented flash presentations, send scented greeting cards, download aromatherapy tracks, and design your own smells and flavors." Co-founders Bellenson and Dexster Smith got the idea for DigiScents while vacationing in Florida. While savoring the flavors of tropical drinks, the fragrance of suntan lotion, and the soothing aroma of the ocean, they imagined broadcasting these scents over the Internet for others to enjoy. DigiScents click ‘n’ sniff scents can be added to a website or a flash presentation in minutes. The only hard part might be choosing between chocolate, orange, pine forest, the ocean, perfume, flowers, new car, etc.  

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Kelly, I know one thing……. If you splurge on Victoria’s Secret "smelly" stuff. {the shower gel, lotion, body spray, powder, even candles and linen spray} You and your surroundings smell so damn good…you don’t wanna ruin it by smoking. Just a thought. Dianna – W

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>Kelly, I know one thing……. If you splurge on Victoria’s Secret "smelly" >stuff. {the shower gel, lotion, body spray, powder, even candles and linen >spray} You and your surroundings smell so damn good…you don’t wanna ruin it >by smoking.

Thanks for reminding me, Dianna!  My boyfriend gave me a VS catalog and told me to circle whatever I want for Xmas…….hehe Sally (let the good times roll) Two days, 5 hours, 52 minutes and 50 seconds. 67 stinking cigs not smoked, saving a whopping $15.79 for chocolate. Life saved: 5 hours, 35 minutes. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Just a thought. >Dianna – W

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Kelly Asked and I quoted: >What I’m looking for is; >What is the Aroma Therapy Emotional Effect (or IS there one,) produced >on >my brain by the smell of the burning tobacco months after I’ve quit that >may induce me to want to smoke again? >Obviously it must be some sort of trigger, but I want more than just an >overall term. I want to know WHAT it touches to trigger my desire to >smoke. Any thoughts about it? >Kelly

Hi Kelly, I ponder the same question — I don’t have an answer for you, however this web site has an *interesting* list of chemical found in cigarettes.  How factual and actual is this list?  I do not know — Cleo http://www.drugs.indiana.edu/druginfo/additives.html

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> Kelly maybe I can assist maybe not.

Thanks for trying. I agree that there is a Pavlovian response at work here. So many years of getting relief from nicotine cravings must create some sort of response in the pleasure centers. But… …there is something else at work here too. I never even heard of things such as ‘clary sage,’ ‘bergamot,’ or ‘ylang ylang before I was introduced to aroma therapy, (which I had never heard of either,) so there couldn’t be any of Pavlov’s responses when I burn them. But I DO get the expected emotional responses from them. I don’t know who the scientists are who research this sort of stuff, but I wish they would research the responses to tobacco. Native Americans used it in their religion without inhaling it. It must have been for the response that it caused in some other fashion…. Kelly Before you buy.

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Kelly, This may or may not help, but I can tell you, 4 Sundays+ into my quit (28 days, technically <g>), that a lit cigarette *still* smells good to me, and that seeing someone else smoke is a trigger. I think, in only my own personal experience, smelling a lit cig means that I am, in effect, "second-hand" smoking, and reinforcing my own addiction….i.e. my brain’s pleasure center may be stimulated by breathing second-hand smoke. So I’ve taken as many steps as I can to remove myself from smoke-filled environments, which is helping, for now. Went to an art festival this weekend (outdoors) and followed smokers, nearly salivating in their wake. Clearly, there’s some emotional or physical response (or possibly both) at work here <vbg>. I remember reading (quite awhile back, at least my long-term memory is still somewhat intact, but don’t ask me about 5 minutes ago!)  that heroin users in recovery were monitored while watching films of other users shooting up, and the brain’s pleasure centers of the recovering users were actually stimuated, so it doesn’t surprise me that watching others smoke is a trigger for me now. That’s when I try and think again of all the quite compelling reasons I’ve quit. But hey, this is just me, ya know? I do know that walking into my own smoke-free apartment, not smelling a stale smoke haze, is a wicked pleasure, as is burning candles of various scents. Just spent a fortune at Pier 1 in candles…such joy. Continued good luck with your quit, Carol

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It would be a gift for both!  :)  That stuff is so yummy!! Dianna 1W

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> Kelly, > Only God and the tabacco companies themselves know what fucking chemicals > they have found to put into tabacco to make us do this to ourselves!

That’s right, Michael. But soon, perhaps we ALL can know. And ‘knowing’ is the first step in doing something positive about it to help up in our quits. So, what are YOUR ideas about it? What are the emotional motivators that are stimulated when we smell burning tobacco? What ‘emotions’ are triggered? In the past, I’ve been using the word ‘trigger’ as if it’s an independent thing. It’s not. It’s linked to some kind of ‘bullet.’ THAT’S what I want to uncover; the bullet! That same bullet that has struck me down so damn many times before! Can we name that bullet, or does it have a different one for each of us? Kelly — Before you buy.

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Hope things get better for you Michael (I noticed you are a little testy today  :)  Please hang tight and post/rant all you need to! I can assure you from personal experience that all the misery you feel now is worth it a hundred times over. Sara OF

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve been giving some thought to what keeps me smoking so long. What is > there about smoking that keeps bringing me back? It’s certainly not the > nicotine. That’s only a real problem during the first few weeks. There > seems to be some ‘emotional’ stuff tied to smoking that I don’t know > anything about. > Kelly, > Only God and the tabacco companies themselves know what fucking chemicals > they have found to put into tabacco to make us do this to ourselves! > Michael > 10/10/00

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Is this supposed to be a Christmas present for him or for you? <eg> Diane M.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Thanks for reminding me, Dianna!  My boyfriend gave me a VS catalog > and told me to circle whatever I want for Xmas…….hehe > Sally (let the good times roll) > Two days, 5 hours, 52 minutes and 50 seconds. 67 stinking cigs not > smoked, saving a whopping $15.79 for chocolate. Life saved: 5 hours, > 35 minutes. >Just a thought. >Dianna – W

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=snip= > We are so used to dealing with things by smoking that we don’t even think > about it.  Give it time, and you WILL get past the "emotional" cravings. > Finding a replacement is a wonderful idea, and aromatherapy sounds perfect. > Congratulations on finding a solution. It gets better.

Thanks for your answer, Diane, and your supportive stance. But I think you may have missed my ‘real’ question. What I’m looking for is; What is the Aroma Therapy Emotional Effect (or IS there one,) produced on my brain by the smell of the burning tobacco months after I’ve quit that may induce me to want to smoke again? Obviously it must be some sort of trigger, but I want more than just an overall term. I want to know WHAT it touches to trigger my desire to smoke. Any thoughts about it? Kelly Before you buy.

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There are several addictions related to smoking.  Physical, psychological, and social.  All combine to make a powerful addiction.  Yes, the physical addiction is conquered in less than 2 months (assuming no NRT is used – a little longer if it is).  But the social and psychological addictions take a lot longer.  "Triggers" pop up constantly.  Initially, the cravings induced by triggers can easily be confused with the cravings from withdrawal, but after a few months, most of the common triggers have been faced down and are no longer potent.  But every so often, with decreasing frequency, another trigger will pop up.  These little (or sometimes not so little) triggers can be dangerous.   We are so used to dealing with things by smoking that we don’t even think about it.  Give it time, and you WILL get past the "emotional" cravings. Finding a replacement is a wonderful idea, and aromatherapy sounds perfect. Congratulations on finding a solution. It gets better. Diane M.  8M+/1Y+ (and btw, there is usually a vanill candle burning in my house – very soothing) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I’ve been giving some thought to what keeps me smoking so long. What is > there about smoking that keeps bringing me back? It’s certainly not the > nicotine. That’s only a real problem during the first few weeks. There > seems to be some ‘emotional’ stuff tied to smoking that I don’t know > anything about. > I’ve been experimenting with ‘Aroma Therapy’ lately, and can actually > see and feel differences in my emotional makeup when  burning different > essential oils. Peppermint  or pine DOES make me feel energized. > Sandalwood IS relaxing, and so is lavender. Ylang ylang seems to soothe > me. So WHAT does the smell of tobacco do? Emotionally, that is. Right > now, trying to quit, it bothers me, but I think that is something else > again.  I know (from other quits) that in a couple of months I really > begin to miss smoking. So I wonder if there is some sort of emotional > response that is triggered by the essential oils in tobacco working > subconsciously on me? > — > There are plenty of businesses like show business. > Before you buy.

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I wish I could help with that, but I’m not a specialist in neurobiology.  I do know that smells have always triggered memories in me.  To this day, if I pass a man smoking the pipe tobacco my grandfather smoked I am instantly back in my grandfathers presence, even though he’s been dead 20 years.  Cinnamon and apple make me think of christmas and my mother’s apple streudel (to die for – paper thin crust).  The smell of ozone makes me think of warm summer rains.   I spoke in an earlier post about sometimes feeling nostalgic when I passed a smokler.  I suspect that the smell of cigarette smoke triggers memories based on how I’m feeling.  If I’m relaxed, then it’s a fond rememberance, of chats on porches and sitting and smoking while watching a sunset.  If I’m in a bad or weak mood, I remember the cravings and how easy it would be to slip. I don’t know where any of the triggers actually happen, any more than I know how my computer works.  In other words, I have a general idea, but no real details.  <g>  But it doens’t matter if I can just control them.   I admire your curiosity, though, and if you find an answer, please let me know.  :-) Diane M.     – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > =snip= > We are so used to dealing with things by smoking that we don’t even > think > about it.  Give it time, and you WILL get past the "emotional" > cravings. > Finding a replacement is a wonderful idea, and aromatherapy sounds > perfect. > Congratulations on finding a solution. It gets better. > Thanks for your answer, Diane, and your supportive stance. But I think > you may have missed my ‘real’ question. > What I’m looking for is; > What is the Aroma Therapy Emotional Effect (or IS there one,) produced > on > my brain by the smell of the burning tobacco months after I’ve quit that > may induce me to want to smoke again? > Obviously it must be some sort of trigger, but I want more than just an > overall term. I want to know WHAT it touches to trigger my desire to > smoke. Any thoughts about it? > Kelly > Before you buy.

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Kelly maybe I can assist maybe not.  I don’t think anyone will be able to tell you which center in the brain is affected by the memory of burning tobacco.  You like many of you had smoked for an extended period of time, the pleasure center was affected by the reinforcement of the nicotine.  The memory of the relief from withdrawal is a positive reinforcement all alone.  That’s maybe one way of looking at it, or it could be pure Pavlov, example:  I have not smoked cannabis in over 17 years but, if I smell cannabis burning I start to salivate, which center in the brain is effected??? I don’t know I simply run like hell to get away from the smell. Bob W-Smober and Sober and Cannabis free – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > =snip= > We are so used to dealing with things by smoking that we don’t even > think > about it.  Give it time, and you WILL get past the "emotional" > cravings. > Finding a replacement is a wonderful idea, and aromatherapy sounds > perfect. > Congratulations on finding a solution. It gets better. > Thanks for your answer, Diane, and your supportive stance. But I think > you may have missed my ‘real’ question. > What I’m looking for is; > What is the Aroma Therapy Emotional Effect (or IS there one,) produced > on > my brain by the smell of the burning tobacco months after I’ve quit that > may induce me to want to smoke again? > Obviously it must be some sort of trigger, but I want more than just an > overall term. I want to know WHAT it touches to trigger my desire to > smoke. Any thoughts about it? > Kelly > Before you buy.

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I’ve been giving some thought to what keeps me smoking so long. What is there about smoking that keeps bringing me back? It’s certainly not the nicotine. That’s only a real problem during the first few weeks. There seems to be some ‘emotional’ stuff tied to smoking that I don’t know anything about. I’ve been experimenting with ‘Aroma Therapy’ lately, and can actually see and feel differences in my emotional makeup when  burning different essential oils. Peppermint  or pine DOES make me feel energized. Sandalwood IS relaxing, and so is lavender. Ylang ylang seems to soothe me. So WHAT does the smell of tobacco do? Emotionally, that is. Right now, trying to quit, it bothers me, but I think that is something else again.  I know (from other quits) that in a couple of months I really begin to miss smoking. So I wonder if there is some sort of emotional response that is triggered by the essential oils in tobacco working subconsciously on me? — There are plenty of businesses like show business. Before you buy.

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Kelly, It actually takes longer than a few weeks for the nicotine to clear out of your body. It takes at least 6 weeks for the nicotine to clear off of your neuro receptors…..which explains all the emotional crap we go through during a quit. Bren 2 1/2 M – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve been giving some thought to what keeps me smoking so long. What is > there about smoking that keeps bringing me back? It’s certainly not the > nicotine. That’s only a real problem during the first few weeks. There > seems to be some ‘emotional’ stuff tied to smoking that I don’t know > anything about. > I’ve been experimenting with ‘Aroma Therapy’ lately, and can actually > see and feel differences in my emotional makeup when  burning different > essential oils. Peppermint  or pine DOES make me feel energized. > Sandalwood IS relaxing, and so is lavender. Ylang ylang seems to soothe > me. So WHAT does the smell of tobacco do? Emotionally, that is. Right > now, trying to quit, it bothers me, but I think that is something else > again.  I know (from other quits) that in a couple of months I really > begin to miss smoking. So I wonder if there is some sort of emotional > response that is triggered by the essential oils in tobacco working > subconsciously on me? > — > There are plenty of businesses like show business. > Before you buy.

Before you buy.

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> I’ve been giving some thought to what keeps me smoking so long. What is > there about smoking that keeps bringing me back? It’s certainly not the > nicotine. That’s only a real problem during the first few weeks. There > seems to be some ‘emotional’ stuff tied to smoking that I don’t know > anything about.

Kelly, Only God and the tabacco companies themselves know what fucking chemicals they have found to put into tabacco to make us do this to ourselves! Michael 10/10/00

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Hey MaryJo, High blood pressure runs in all my siblings; they treat it VERY seriously. Meds 2x a day, modified diet, exercise program, and stress -reducing sessions, like massage or aroma therapy. I hope the aspirin doesn’t kick up your CC. Please, go to the ER if your headaches become any worse. (We’re worried about you!) Teri

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I don’t think aspirin is a NSAID which is a definite NONO !!   But too much aspirin can cause other abdomianl problems as it eats it away …

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Let me know if you find out anything.  Mine’s gone from a routine 90/60 to about the same as yours now.  Nobody seems to know why or want to do anything different.  I’m already maxing out on Heparin so aspirin, etc wouldn’t help and no way will they make me lose fluids as they’re always pumping it in now.  Maybe I just want to be more like Mike and he IS invading my territory now (congestive heart failure).  I figured the headaches were just stress and I just keep taking whatever I can get to be able to live with it.  Gotta go now…Sparkydog wants to go out and I’m the only one here.  Hope Mike gets home VERY SOON!!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Carole > Thanks for responding …. if it doesn’t drop by this weekend, I will go > in and see the ER …. and no, I didn’t have a big bag of salty potato > chips …. but it sounds good !! They have found that the link between > salt and high blood pressure is a myth especcially with those under 50 > .. and I am definitly under 50 !  I was on bp meds before because the > prednisone had raised the bp … but have off prednisone for a year now > .. they took me off the bp meds last year when I went into the hospital > for dehydration as my pb dropped too low !! <G> I guess I can’t win > either way !! > I will kep you posted …. right now all I want to do is to melt away in > relaxation > maryjo

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Staci Good luck with the Colestid … remember that you may have to adjust the dose that works well with you … too much can be too binding !

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eMi I am not on prednisone … was taken off of it a year ago .. thank goodness Maryjo

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Maryjo, Can you take aspirin with CC?  I can’t take NSAIDS or aspirin with CD  - only Tylenol which doesn’t do anything for me. ~~~~Pat CD Class of 98 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->"Maryjo"  wrote >He also told me to take one aspirin per day with it

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update : I did go to ER today , spent a lovely 3 hours there … blood pressure was elevated still and I had a headache on the rise They did a EKG which came back good . Maryjo

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Maryjo, I hope and pray you got with a doctor today. Please let us know what’s going on. STaci

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<<He put me on a beta-blocker called ATENOLOL to lower the bp and he said it will also help with the headaches .>> That’s the exact same med my Dr. put me on along with a drug called clonidine. The combo of the two seems to be working well.  I’m glad you went today! Patsy : )

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 I have been told to take a coated aspirin each night (those orange things).  My GP says it will work with my blood pressure med, my GI says here are some early indications that it might help with CD.  I have been told no advil, etc., because it might interact with the Asacol. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Maryjo, > Can you take aspirin with CC?  I can’t take NSAIDS or aspirin with CD  - > only Tylenol which doesn’t do anything for me. > ~~~~Pat > CD Class of 98 >"Maryjo"  wrote >He also told me to take one aspirin per day with it

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Same here Sam, I run low temp and BP as the norm.  Maryjo, I hope things work out and SOON!    mgbio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hmmm… there never has been for me – when I was in hospital last year, > even when on massive amounts of hydrocortisone and prednisolone, by > BP was definitely low (90/60 was about average). > Sorry, I can’t help you… > Sam > CD Class of ‘97 > : Hey fellow IBD Family > : I am facing extrememly high blood pressure problems right now and was > : wondering if there was a connection between IBD and High Blood Pressure > : .. When I say high blood pressure I mean very very high …. my lowest > : today was at 4:45 am this morning and that was 160/100 with a pulse of > : 118 … and thats upon waking … at 2:20 this afternoon it was 163/109 > : with a puse of 132 … Can’t seem to find a dr who will take me … > : October the earliest I was told by one practise … This really sucks > : .. I am only 102 lbs and the lower number on the blood pressure is far > : higher … it feels like someone is sitting on my chest … though my > : IBD seems to behaving itself except for some minor spasms > : any input appreciated > : Maryjo

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update : I did go to ER today  , spent a lovely 3 hours there … blood pressure was elevated still and I had a headache on the rise They did a EKG which came back good .. so dr in ER listened as I told him how and why I was monotoring my bp … He put me on a beta-blocker called ATENOLOL to lower the bp and he said it will also help with the headaches .. He also told me to take one aspirin per day with it … He gave me a script for 3 months supply so I have time to find a dr in the area Maryjo

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Maryjo Please either go to the ER or see your Doc A.S.A.P.!  I know my BP drastically increased, to the point of needing medication, when my IBD was at its worst. This was before the Prednisone and seems to be related to our common illness. Patsy : )

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Emergency treatment is often treaed differently than routine treatment – payment is often made without advance authorization or referral.  I still say with blood pressure like that AND bad headaches you belong in ER –  you could stroke, or blow an aneurysm, or all kinds of things.   Lots of people with high bp don;t have any symptoms – with symptoms I think it can be more serious…. are you hving dizzy spells too?   Don’t wait for some penny pinching bureaucrat to make a decision that may harm you –   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I will call the insurance company this morning … need to go through >the proper channels or else they will refuse to pay for it !  Woke up >with a tremendous headache this morning and though my bp should be the >lowest upon waking it wasn’t … It was  144/106 with a pulse of 101 … >the whole idea of checking the bp was because of these horrid headaches >!!! >Maryjo

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I will call the insurance company this morning … need to go through the proper channels or else they will refuse to pay for it !  Woke up with a tremendous headache this morning and though my bp should be the lowest upon waking it wasn’t … It was  144/106 with a pulse of 101 … the whole idea of checking the bp was because of these horrid headaches !!! Maryjo

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Hmmm… there never has been for me – when I was in hospital last year, even when on massive amounts of hydrocortisone and prednisolone, by BP was definitely low (90/60 was about average). Sorry, I can’t help you… Sam CD Class of ‘97

: Hey fellow IBD Family : I am facing extrememly high blood pressure problems right now and was : wondering if there was a connection between IBD and High Blood Pressure : .. When I say high blood pressure I mean very very high …. my lowest : today was at 4:45 am this morning and that was 160/100 with a pulse of : 118 … and thats upon waking … at 2:20 this afternoon it was 163/109 : with a puse of 132 … Can’t seem to find a dr who will take me … : October the earliest I was told by one practise … This really sucks : .. I am only 102 lbs and the lower number on the blood pressure is far : higher … it feels like someone is sitting on my chest … though my : IBD seems to behaving itself except for some minor spasms : any input appreciated : Maryjo

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Maryjo, In my case when I get a high pulse rate and blood pressure I get it under control with potassium and electrolytes. (but you better go get it checked out) Take care, Cheryl

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What’s going on with you, girl?  Mine is always low to extremely low. But you need to find a doc soon.  I mean it! Don’t put it off. Also, I want to praise you for your suggesting the Colestrid.  I told my doc today and he gave me big box to try. Thanks a million. Staci

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Maryjo – I agree with Carole. Go to the ER immediately !!! I can’t believe they expect you to wait until October. Like the old saying goes, it’s better to be safe than sorry. Tammy

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Maryjo- I just went through a problem with this.  My blood pressure was only slightly elevated, though and my pulse was in the 120’s.  I got extremely scared, almost passed out a couple of times, and my hubby called an ambulance.  They hooked me up to an EKG and ran several tests.  I had a follow up with my doc.  I have been diagnosed with SVT (a condition where you get heart palpatations).  I am now on a great medication (a beta blocker) and I feel great.  My doc says it’s not related to the crohn’s, but possibly could have been aggravated by medications.  Is this condition new to you?  Have you taken any cold medicines or anything else recently???  Feel free to email me at home, I prolly won’t be back on the NG till Monday evening.  I’m leaving Friday am for a mini vacation. good luck! Be well- Tracy CD class of ‘98 my homepage: http://home.talkcity.com/ParadiseDr/goodboie/index.html  : )  smile – it makes people wonder what you’re up to!

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I agree, please have it checked out now!  If nothing else, it will stop your headache and the ringing in your ears (assuming you have these symptoms of hi BP) and it could save your life. -Jeff

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Carole Thanks for responding …. if it doesn’t drop by this weekend, I will go in and see the ER …. and no, I didn’t have a big bag of salty potato chips …. but it sounds good !! They have found that the link between salt and high blood pressure is a myth especcially with those under 50 .. and I am definitly under 50 !  I was on bp meds before because the prednisone had raised the bp … but have off prednisone for a year now .. they took me off the bp meds last year when I went into the hospital for dehydration as my pb dropped too low !! <G> I guess I can’t win either way !! I will kep you posted …. right now all I want to do is to melt away in relaxation maryjo

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Hey fellow IBD Family I am facing extrememly high blood pressure problems right now and was wondering if there was a connection between IBD and High Blood Pressure .. When I say high blood pressure I mean very very high …. my lowest today was at 4:45 am this morning and that was 160/100 with a pulse of 118 … and thats upon waking … at 2:20 this afternoon it was 163/109 with a puse of 132 … Can’t seem to find a dr who will take me … October the earliest I was told by one practise … This really sucks .. I am only 102 lbs and the lower number on the blood pressure is far higher … it feels like someone is sitting on my chest … though my IBD seems to behaving itself except for some minor spasms any input appreciated Maryjo

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are you on prednisone?          eMi

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Forget waiting til Oct. – get to an ER and demand they treat it – you could be asking for trouble – stroke, etc., not to mention kidney damage.   They could monitor it, talk to you about dietary restrictions (more??? that we have with IBD?? –  you haven’t eaten a big bag of salty potato chips lately?    LOL.)  They might start you on a sample pack of bp med to get it down – probably a diuretic – difeent types work for different people – I tried 3 different ones before they found one that really worked – you might be very tired for a few days until your body adjusts….   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hey fellow IBD Family >I am facing extrememly high blood pressure problems right now and was >wondering if there was a connection between IBD and High Blood Pressure >.. When I say high blood pressure I mean very very high …. my lowest >today was at 4:45 am this morning and that was 160/100 with a pulse of >118 … and thats upon waking … at 2:20 this afternoon it was 163/109 >with a puse of 132 … Can’t seem to find a dr who will take me … >October the earliest I was told by one practise … This really sucks >.. I am only 102 lbs and the lower number on the blood pressure is far >higher … it feels like someone is sitting on my chest … though my >IBD seems to behaving itself except for some minor spasms >any input appreciated >Maryjo

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>That may be *your* opinion? ><vbg> >~Krissy

ROFL  And I was sure it was gonna be you!   LOL Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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Hi Rox, I am de-lurking to say that I also HATE!!! having Sacroilliitis.  The pain is a deep aching pain that is always in my back and refers to my hips (where I also have Trochanteric and Ischeal Bursitis) which I get injected every once in a while.  It also travels down my legs to my feet especially when I lay down or after having attended aqua therapy on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. Every once in a while I also get a sharp pain that stops me in my tracks and takes my breath away. When I lay down my Achilles tendonitis gets worse and my heel pain has gradually gotten worse over the past few years. There are tooooo many nights when none of my pain meds even come close to taking the edge off. On those nights I would like to meet the people whom say that females get a milder version of AS than males.  Boy would I give them a piece of my mind. I was diagnosed with AS after I had an MRI done.  It showed the fusion and inflammation. As well as Codeine, Nozinan, Tylenol and Vioxx—I try— ice, heat, aromatherapy, meditation, guided imagery.  In other words when it gets bad I will try just about ANYTHING!!! I sure hope you are feeling better and are getting appropriate pain meds. ~~~Faye~~~

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>No, Mamma Char.  You are not crazy.

That may be *your* opinion? <vbg> ~Krissy See my pond: http://members.aol.com/KrissyJo/ponds.html Akron, Ohio http://arthritisinsight.com Knowledge is power…support is essential.

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>Between my probable Barrett’s >and her breast thing, both conditions which can be considered >pre-cancerous, what’s happening to us???  

Thats all pretty scarey.  Thank God you have one another to lean on!!! Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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>No, Mamma Char.  You are not crazy.

LOL  I havent even read the rest of the notes in this thread yet, but I would be willing to bet big money, that SOMEBODY has something smart  to say about that!!!!!  LOL Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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> Diane, > My pain, apart from the awful nighttime stuff, is also non-weightbearing. > Isn’t that interesting? Wonder why that is? > Mary

I dunno, Mary.  But, I don’t bear weight on my hands, and it hurts when I bend my fingers.  I just think that the inflammed bursa in my hip is located close to the SI joint, and possibly the inflammation just spreads.  It’s like a creeping crud. <g>   Also, by having to walk with a limp from the bursitis, I tend to throw other joints out of whack, like my SI joints.   — Di dabell at freeatlast dot com http://www.skybusiness.com/dabell2

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> > It often hurts, not when I’m weight-bearing but rather when I take my weight > off my leg > LOL  Then I am not crazy.  When my SI joint is flaring, thats the way it is for > me too. > Char > "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’. >  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

No, Mamma Char.  You are not crazy. — Di dabell at freeatlast dot com http://www.skybusiness.com/dabell2

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Hi Di,  I was afraid of that.  Cover all the bases because it looks like a problem today with one of you may be a problem tomorrow for the other.  That Lyme disease in your part of the country is a real curse. Please tell us about how it works out. Harv – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Di,  Beleive me when I say that I am not trying to start something > between you and your twin but does she have any of this?  Curious > mind kind of thing ya know. > Harv > Wow!  Funny you should ask, Harv.  And no, you’re not starting > something.  She and I seem to have different medical conditions, > for the most part.  I have my OA, bursitis, GI crap.  She has her > severe varicose veins, Lyme disease, and right now, adhesive > capsulitis.  And that’s where it gets interesting. > Remember, I said that I had ac a few years ago in my left > shoulder.  And, I think I also fairly recently mentioned that my > sister now has it.  Well, she developed it in both shoulders now. > It sucks big time.  She is seeing this wonderful orthopod.  He > was distressed when she presented with both shoulders being > affected.  He said that on shoulder, ok, but when both have it at > the same time, then you should start looking for cancer.  Oh my > God!  She asked where, and he said it could be anywhere, but she > should start with a mammogram.  So she did. > Then they asked her to come back and get a second mammo.  Sure > nuff, she has a cluster of fibrous calcifications in one breast, > which she is having removed on Aug. 3rd.  They will biopsy them, > but they are considered to be pre-cancerous at best. > I am just beside myself thinking about what she is experiencing. > And, I got really scared for myself, even though I only had it > in one shoulder.  So, tomorrow I am getting a mammogram.  I just > gotta know that I’m OK.  And, it’s been two years since my last > mammo, anyway.  This really sucks.  Between my probable Barrett’s > and her breast thing, both conditions which can be considered > pre-cancerous, what’s happening to us??? > — > Di > dabell at freeatlast dot com > http://www.skybusiness.com/dabell2

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Your SI joint is roughly (and I mean roughly!) is located at about the level of your hip/on your back/about midway between your hip and your spine.  That area where some people have a dimple. Did that make any sense? Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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> It often hurts, not when I’m weight-bearing but rather when I take my weight

off my leg LOL  Then I am not crazy.  When my SI joint is flaring, thats the way it is for me too. Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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> Hi Di,  Beleive me when I say that I am not trying to start something > between you and your twin but does she have any of this?  Curious > mind kind of thing ya know. > Harv

Wow!  Funny you should ask, Harv.  And no, you’re not starting something.  She and I seem to have different medical conditions, for the most part.  I have my OA, bursitis, GI crap.  She has her severe varicose veins, Lyme disease, and right now, adhesive capsulitis.  And that’s where it gets interesting. Remember, I said that I had ac a few years ago in my left shoulder.  And, I think I also fairly recently mentioned that my sister now has it.  Well, she developed it in both shoulders now.   It sucks big time.  She is seeing this wonderful orthopod.  He was distressed when she presented with both shoulders being affected.  He said that on shoulder, ok, but when both have it at the same time, then you should start looking for cancer.  Oh my God!  She asked where, and he said it could be anywhere, but she should start with a mammogram.  So she did. Then they asked her to come back and get a second mammo.  Sure nuff, she has a cluster of fibrous calcifications in one breast, which she is having removed on Aug. 3rd.  They will biopsy them, but they are considered to be pre-cancerous at best. I am just beside myself thinking about what she is experiencing.   And, I got really scared for myself, even though I only had it in one shoulder.  So, tomorrow I am getting a mammogram.  I just gotta know that I’m OK.  And, it’s been two years since my last mammo, anyway.  This really sucks.  Between my probable Barrett’s and her breast thing, both conditions which can be considered pre-cancerous, what’s happening to us???   — Di dabell at freeatlast dot com http://www.skybusiness.com/dabell2

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> Rox, I get lousy SI pain also.  Much as Mary described.  I am > going through a bout of it now, and I have it whenever I have a > bursitis flare.  So, I guess it’s associated with bursitis for > me.  It often hurts, not when I’m weight-bearing (leave that to > the bursitis ), but rather when I take my weight off my leg > and move my leg forward.  Oh, the pain in my SI joint.  Oh > God……  I hope you’re not experiencing the same, or similar. > It sucks. > — > Di

Hi Di,  Beleive me when I say that I am not trying to start something between you and your twin but does she have any of this?  Curious mind kind of thing ya know. Harv

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Diane, My pain, apart from the awful nighttime stuff, is also non-weightbearing. Isn’t that interesting? Wonder why that is? Mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Going through SI crap at the moment, I may be able to help you. > My SI pain is located in the back, on each side of the spine, sort of > right above the buttocks. If you feel back there, you can feel two bony > joints. That’s your SI. Like you said, the diamond right above the buttocks. > My pain also sometimes radiates to my outer hips (usually the right one), > but is normally confined to the SI joint. I don’t, however, know if the > hip pain is part of the SI pain, or something else. > My understanding is also that SI joint pain and problems are different > from spinal problems. I have spinal pain as well, but it’s totally > separate from the SI problems I have now. > Hope that helped! > Mary > Rox, I get lousy SI pain also.  Much as Mary described.  I am > going through a bout of it now, and I have it whenever I have a > bursitis flare.  So, I guess it’s associated with bursitis for > me.  It often hurts, not when I’m weight-bearing (leave that to > the bursitis ), but rather when I take my weight off my leg > and move my leg forward.  Oh, the pain in my SI joint.  Oh > God……  I hope you’re not experiencing the same, or similar.   > It sucks. > — > Di > dabell at freeatlast dot com > http://www.skybusiness.com/dabell2

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It took years for my SI pain to be diagnosed as well. It got VERY bad this past fall, but for a few years before this, I’ve had pain there on and off, and all the drs. said it was a disc problem. Mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > your body to diagnose apparently.  I had bacacke for over 2 years, and the > doctors kept saying it was a disc problem……it was deep in my lower back, > normally on the left, and the pain went down my thigh, even right down my > leg when it was really bad.  Eventually went to see an osteopath, who was > just as fazed as the Doctor, but after 7 sessions, he just happened to press > down on my lower back, and I screamed, and he said that it was my sacroiliac > joint, and that I had sacroilitis (inflammtion of the sacroiliac joint) > into my buttock, but it seems hard to place when you get the pain…….it > may hurt when you walk, say stepping on the leg that matches the pain site, > and if you stand straight, put your legs apart, hands on hips, and rotate > your pelvis, you may well feel it really hurt then.  Ive had sacroilitis on > and off for a year now, and it is the main reason they are diagnosing me > with AS, because AS normally starts in the SI region (or symptoms show here > first).  I dont know about you, but when the SI pain is really bad, none of > my pain meds can touch it, and I just have to bear it out.  I had x-ray > results back last week, and they also show no fusion on SI joints yet, > however, you would need an MRI scan to see properly.  Have you had the > HLA-B27 blood test??  If not, ask for it, if your pos, could mean you lean > towards AS. > Take Care anyway Rox, and write anytime,  because I know what hell this can > be like!! > Darren > Question for y’all.. > Where exactly is SI joint pain located?  Can it refer pain to the hips? > Outer, inner hips?  Groin?  Lower back (the diamond right above the > buttocks?) ??? > I’m curious to know as to whether I’m experiencing this or not.  My > x-rays showed no SI joint fusion.  Doesn’t mean the rest of my spine > isn’t screwed up, tho! > Thanks for any input > — > "There are some people that if they >  don’t know, you can’t tell ‘em." > — Louis Armstrong > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/9300

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your body to diagnose apparently.  I had bacacke for over 2 years, and the doctors kept saying it was a disc problem……it was deep in my lower back, normally on the left, and the pain went down my thigh, even right down my leg when it was really bad.  Eventually went to see an osteopath, who was just as fazed as the Doctor, but after 7 sessions, he just happened to press down on my lower back, and I screamed, and he said that it was my sacroiliac joint, and that I had sacroilitis (inflammtion of the sacroiliac joint) into my buttock, but it seems hard to place when you get the pain…….it may hurt when you walk, say stepping on the leg that matches the pain site, and if you stand straight, put your legs apart, hands on hips, and rotate your pelvis, you may well feel it really hurt then.  Ive had sacroilitis on and off for a year now, and it is the main reason they are diagnosing me with AS, because AS normally starts in the SI region (or symptoms show here first).  I dont know about you, but when the SI pain is really bad, none of my pain meds can touch it, and I just have to bear it out.  I had x-ray results back last week, and they also show no fusion on SI joints yet, however, you would need an MRI scan to see properly.  Have you had the HLA-B27 blood test??  If not, ask for it, if your pos, could mean you lean towards AS. Take Care anyway Rox, and write anytime,  because I know what hell this can be like!! Darren

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Question for y’all.. > Where exactly is SI joint pain located?  Can it refer pain to the hips? > Outer, inner hips?  Groin?  Lower back (the diamond right above the > buttocks?) ??? > I’m curious to know as to whether I’m experiencing this or not.  My > x-rays showed no SI joint fusion.  Doesn’t mean the rest of my spine > isn’t screwed up, tho! > Thanks for any input > — > "There are some people that if they >  don’t know, you can’t tell ‘em." > — Louis Armstrong > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/9300

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Going through SI crap at the moment, I may be able to help you. > My SI pain is located in the back, on each side of the spine, sort of > right above the buttocks. If you feel back there, you can feel two bony > joints. That’s your SI. Like you said, the diamond right above the buttocks. > My pain also sometimes radiates to my outer hips (usually the right one), > but is normally confined to the SI joint. I don’t, however, know if the > hip pain is part of the SI pain, or something else. > My understanding is also that SI joint pain and problems are different > from spinal problems. I have spinal pain as well, but it’s totally > separate from the SI problems I have now. > Hope that helped! > Mary

Rox, I get lousy SI pain also.  Much as Mary described.  I am going through a bout of it now, and I have it whenever I have a bursitis flare.  So, I guess it’s associated with bursitis for me.  It often hurts, not when I’m weight-bearing (leave that to the bursitis ), but rather when I take my weight off my leg and move my leg forward.  Oh, the pain in my SI joint.  Oh God……  I hope you’re not experiencing the same, or similar.   It sucks. — Di dabell at freeatlast dot com http://www.skybusiness.com/dabell2

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Going through SI crap at the moment, I may be able to help you. My SI pain is located in the back, on each side of the spine, sort of right above the buttocks. If you feel back there, you can feel two bony joints. That’s your SI. Like you said, the diamond right above the buttocks. My pain also sometimes radiates to my outer hips (usually the right one), but is normally confined to the SI joint. I don’t, however, know if the hip pain is part of the SI pain, or something else. My understanding is also that SI joint pain and problems are different from spinal problems. I have spinal pain as well, but it’s totally separate from the SI problems I have now. Hope that helped! Mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Question for y’all.. > Where exactly is SI joint pain located?  Can it refer pain to the hips? > Outer, inner hips?  Groin?  Lower back (the diamond right above the > buttocks?) ??? > I’m curious to know as to whether I’m experiencing this or not.  My > x-rays showed no SI joint fusion.  Doesn’t mean the rest of my spine > isn’t screwed up, tho! > Thanks for any input > — > "There are some people that if they >  don’t know, you can’t tell ‘em." > — Louis Armstrong > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/9300

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Hi, Rox.  The SI = sacroiliac joint.  The sacrum is immediately below your lumbar vertebrae and the ileum is the pelvic bone.  So the SI joint is the joint between them. The first time my SI joint acted up, I had severe groin pain.  Was really perplexed when hip MRI (ordered by rheumy) was normal.  A few months later I mentioned to my orthopedist that externally rotating my  left hip caused pain–he then put my left foot on right knee and compressed knee down toward the table and I hit the ceiling.  Diagnosis SI joint problem.  MRI of back also showed DDD of L1-L4, but no overt signs of sacroilitis.  You don’t have to have X-ray evidence of an SI problem–the clinical test is pretty diagnostic. I’ve since learned that it can cause pain in your back, hip, groin, thigh, etc. I’ve been referred to a pain management clinic for injections into this area, initial appt is in 1 1/2 weeks (been waiting since May).   Hope for your sake that it isn’t your SI joint.  I’ve had ongoing problems for 6 months now. — Marj To reply please remove nospam

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Question for y’all.. > Where exactly is SI joint pain located?  Can it refer pain to the hips? > Outer, inner hips?  Groin?  Lower back (the diamond right above the > buttocks?) ??? > I’m curious to know as to whether I’m experiencing this or not.  My > x-rays showed no SI joint fusion.  Doesn’t mean the rest of my spine > isn’t screwed up, tho! > Thanks for any input > — > "There are some people that if they >  don’t know, you can’t tell ‘em." > — Louis Armstrong > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/9300

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It’s in the very low back. I imagine it refers to the hips, I know mine does. Your doctor is the best person to answer this one. DeeTee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Question for y’all.. > Where exactly is SI joint pain located?  Can it refer pain to the hips? > Outer, inner hips?  Groin?  Lower back (the diamond right above the > buttocks?) ??? > I’m curious to know as to whether I’m experiencing this or not.  My > x-rays showed no SI joint fusion.  Doesn’t mean the rest of my spine > isn’t screwed up, tho! > Thanks for any input > — > "There are some people that if they >  don’t know, you can’t tell ‘em." > — Louis Armstrong > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/9300

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi, Rox.  The SI = sacroiliac joint.  The sacrum is immediately below your > lumbar vertebrae and the ileum is the pelvic bone.  So the SI joint is the > joint between them. > The first time my SI joint acted up, I had severe groin pain.  Was really > perplexed when hip MRI (ordered by rheumy) was normal.  A few months later I > mentioned to my orthopedist that externally rotating my  left hip caused > pain–he then put my left foot on right knee and compressed knee down toward > the table and I hit the ceiling.  Diagnosis SI joint problem.  MRI of back > also showed DDD of L1-L4, but no overt signs of sacroilitis.  You don’t have > to have X-ray evidence of an SI problem–the clinical test is pretty > diagnostic. > I’ve since learned that it can cause pain in your back, hip, groin, thigh, > etc. I’ve been referred to a pain management clinic for injections into this > area, initial appt is in 1 1/2 weeks (been waiting since May).   Hope for > your sake that it isn’t your SI joint.  I’ve had ongoing problems for 6 > months now. > — > Marj

Hey Marj! Hmmmmm.   It doesn’t seem to hurt to rotate the leg outward.  It’s just that I am having everything that is symptomatic of AS except there’s no Si joint involvement, and that’s what I’m trying to figure out. I think my RD is considering either ReA or arthur of IBD. He could have easily checked off Scoliosis for the back problems considering what the radiologist said but he didn’t, tho.  Is it possible for AS to begin from somewhere beside the SI joint???? O well, guess we won’t know if that’s what it is until 10 years down the road anyways! Thanks for your input! — "There are some people that if they  don’t know, you can’t tell ‘em." — Louis Armstrong http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/9300

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Question for y’all.. Where exactly is SI joint pain located?  Can it refer pain to the hips? Outer, inner hips?  Groin?  Lower back (the diamond right above the buttocks?) ??? I’m curious to know as to whether I’m experiencing this or not.  My x-rays showed no SI joint fusion.  Doesn’t mean the rest of my spine isn’t screwed up, tho! Thanks for any input — "There are some people that if they  don’t know, you can’t tell ‘em." — Louis Armstrong http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/9300

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AWESOME! I am so so happy, but would love to know more about this test. Please keep us posted! Sevi and the rest of the crew               http://www.cybercanine.com           "Because you love your canine…"     handcrafted all-natural canine products Our canine biscuits and treats are baked with wholesome ingredients and are always preservative free! Hand-blended aromatherapy dog shampoos, mists, candles, potpourri and ointments using therapeutic essential oils, organic herbs and infused oils. Visit our forum at http://www.delphi.com/NaturalDog

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Yes I too would be interested in the tests as the test I heard about was 3 hours long, videotaped and cost about $500 which would be close to 1000 American pretty serious money if anyone has more than one dog Nancy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> AWESOME! I am so so happy, but would love to know more about this test. > Please keep us posted! > Sevi and the rest of the crew >               http://www.cybercanine.com >           "Because you love your canine…" >     handcrafted all-natural canine products > Our canine biscuits and treats are baked with wholesome ingredients and are > always preservative free! Hand-blended aromatherapy dog shampoos, mists, > candles, potpourri and ointments using therapeutic essential oils, organic > herbs and infused oils. > Visit our forum at http://www.delphi.com/NaturalDog

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> Yes I too would be interested in the tests as the test I heard about was 3 > hours long, videotaped and cost about $500 which would be close to 1000 > American > pretty serious money if anyone has more than one dog

That was my understanding, too, based on the 1st of the local bans, Hamburg.  It is important to note that Hessen is that latest of the local laws, and the worst.  They’ve already started killing dogs under the Hessen law, which was just passed this week.  It makes sense that Hessen would adopt the VDH test that is already in place in other locations, but nobody should interpret this as meaning the dogs are now safe. Lynn K.

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>Dear friends from the States, Australia, Canada, England and from all >over the world – WE MADE IT !!! OUR DOGS ARE FREE !!!!

*clapping* cheering * whistling * barking * howling * other celebratory sound effects as desired! * That was FAST.  I think I’m impressed;  politicians don’t readily back down, even when it’s obvious they’re wrong. And the important thing is the dogs are going to be okay! I don’t have any source of details other than usenet (I don’t have TV, the newspapers could care less, internet news sources I’m not finding somehow, and I know several Germans but they’re not up to date on what’s happening "back home" either).  Here I read that many dogs had been killed already, in Hamburg.  Do we know what the situation is there?  And what about the dog-owners? One step at a time, I know, and count me in as one of those having a par-tay (with my own dogs) in celebration of this step in the right direction! ….new email (same old waterbed)

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:but nobody should interpret this as meaning the :dogs are now safe. Exactly. That post has been making the rounds of the Pit Bull and anti-BSL lists, and it doesn’t even BEGIN to suggest any real turn-around. JohnR Pit Bull Libertarian Never sneer at the power of a little pink squeaky toy!

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Hi All, A friend from Slovenia forwarded this to a list I’m on. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear friends from the States, Australia, Canada, England and from all over the world – WE MADE IT !!! OUR DOGS ARE FREE !!!! We were working here night and day, collecting everything, writing…. and at night I got a message that said: The Minister of the Interior of Hessen will CHANGE THE LAW (so it was a 1day law:-)) Dogs who are living in families, have to do a test. If they stand this test, they can live with their families. We don’t know exactly what is part of the charactertest, but the dogs will be tested by dogpeople of our VDH, who know dogs (and not by politicans, who know nothing). So we are in good hope that every family dog will stand it. The dogs have to be on leads and with a muzzle – but THEY WILL LIVE. I didn’t want to write it to you this night because it wasn’t official (and it was said such a lot of things the last days..) and I didn’t trust the message. but now it is official. The minister break down under the avalanche of protests – our VDH (like your AKC), the veterinarians, special groups to save the dogs and lots, lots, lots of normal dogowners… But I am sure – WITHOUT YOU AND YOUR PROTESTS he wouldn’t have changed it so fast. The german openion is not so interesting for the politicans – voices from all over the world are!! I can’t say what I feel and I CAN’T THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR YOUR KIND HELP!!! Our dogs are in danger still in the city of Hamburg – but I’m sure, the senator of Hamburg has to break down too with his ideas to kill the dogs. The fight goes on – we are fighting now against the law, that the dogs have to been muzzled all the time on the streets. No dog with a muzzle can have a social life – we are in good hope, that we will win this point too. The first region with this rule (Nordrhein – Westfalen; the region surrounding D

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I am looking for MicroTek Anti-itching Spray. I have found it very helpful for my shepard’s skin allergies. I live in San Diego and I had a pet suppy place that carried it previously. If you know of the source or know of a better product, please let me know. Thank You! —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Here is a url and their e-mail. Maybe they can help you where to find this spray. http://www.microtek-intl.com/ Good Luck, Sevi               http://www.cybercanine.com           "Because you love your canine…"     handcrafted all-natural canine products Our canine biscuits and treats are baked with wholesome ingredients and are always preservative free! Hand-blended aromatherapy dog shampoos, mists, candles, potpourri and ointments using therapeutic essential oils, organic herbs and infused oils. Visit our forum at http://www.delphi.com/NaturalDog – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am looking for MicroTek Anti-itching Spray. I have found it very helpful > for my shepard’s skin allergies. I live in San Diego and I had a pet suppy > place that carried it previously. If you know of the source or know of a > better product, please let me know. > Thank You! > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I have some excellent, affordable skin care products and fragrances available on my web site which can be delivered to 6 countries. Click on the home page link below or email for any more info. Face and Neck    Eyelid Skin    Body Skin    Hands, Feet, Nails    Sex Comfort    For Bath   Preventive means     Aroma Therapy    Parfume Veterinary means countries: USA (with restrictions), Canada (with restrictions), Great Britan, Australia (with restrictions), Japan (with restrictions), Brazil (with restrictions). http://skincare.iwarp.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have some excellent, affordable skin care products and fragrances > available on my web > site which can be delivered to 6 countries. Click on the home page link > below or email for any more info. > Face and Neck    Eyelid Skin    Body Skin    Hands, Feet, Nails    Sex > Comfort    For Bath   Preventive means     Aroma Therapy    Parfume > Veterinary means > countries: USA (with restrictions), Canada (with restrictions), Great > Britan, Australia (with restrictions), Japan (with restrictions), Brazil > (with restrictions). > http://skincare.iwarp.com

fuck off. with restrictions

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LOL – I think sometimes the people here are a little overly judgmental… but I don’t ever feel like hacking off their body parts! * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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alt.support.grief removed by request. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >Online threats!  Why not come after me, tough guy?  Bring your shit to >> >NC.  If you had any balls, I’d lop them the fuck off and save the >> >planet’s average IQ. >> I have this feeling Jimmy would be hiding under the bed if anyone >> actually showed up. I dunno where that feeling comes from….I just >> don’t know. >I have an idea, but I don’t want to go starting syphilis rumors about >you. > Syphilis? Try the clap.

Nah, I’m more of a gonorrhea type of guy. — James hepler http://www.sorryaboutdresden.com "The fact of the matter is that a very good high-school, unranked, male tennis player can beat the best female tennis player in the world." -O’Reilly Enright

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>> > Furthermore, I have a scorching burning feeling between my legs about > > a day after seeing your granny. >That’s just your acne spreading, pooks.

I wish that’s all it was

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> > Furthermore, I have a scorching burning feeling between my legs about > a day after seeing your granny.

That’s just your acne spreading, pooks. — James hepler http://www.sorryaboutdresden.com "The fact of the matter is that a very good high-school, unranked, male tennis player can beat the best female tennis player in the world." -O’Reilly Enright

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Online threats!  Why not come after me, tough guy?  Bring your shit to > >NC.  If you had any balls, I’d lop them the fuck off and save the > >planet’s average IQ. > I have this feeling Jimmy would be hiding under the bed if anyone > actually showed up. I dunno where that feeling comes from….I just > don’t know. >I have an idea, but I don’t want to go starting syphilis rumors about >you.

Syphilis? Try the clap.

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> >Online threats!  Why not come after me, tough guy?  Bring your shit to >NC.  If you had any balls, I’d lop them the fuck off and save the >planet’s average IQ. > I have this feeling Jimmy would be hiding under the bed if anyone > actually showed up. I dunno where that feeling comes from….I just > don’t know.

I have an idea, but I don’t want to go starting syphilis rumors about you. — James hepler http://www.sorryaboutdresden.com "The fact of the matter is that a very good high-school, unranked, male tennis player can beat the best female tennis player in the world." -O’Reilly Enright

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >Online threats!  Why not come after me, tough guy?  Bring your shit to >> >NC.  If you had any balls, I’d lop them the fuck off and save the >> >planet’s average IQ. >> I have this feeling Jimmy would be hiding under the bed if anyone >> actually showed up. I dunno where that feeling comes from….I just >> don’t know. >Men don’t have reliable feelings.  You must be a woman to have >reliable feelings (aka: womenswayofknowing).  Don’t you have a few >undergarments to change down at the old ladies home?  My granny >said all the ladies at bingo are talking up a storm about ya > All I know about feelings is that I have a reliable  feeling of > throbbing between my legs when I think about you, Jen.  

you’re just going to have to deal with that in whatever way you feel appropriate > Furthermore, I have a scorching burning feeling between my legs about > a day after seeing your granny.

these physical feelings are reliable (and the tests have confirmed this), the intangible ones are where you’re sure to stumble.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Online threats!  Why not come after me, tough guy?  Bring your shit to > >NC.  If you had any balls, I’d lop them the fuck off and save the > >planet’s average IQ. > I have this feeling Jimmy would be hiding under the bed if anyone > actually showed up. I dunno where that feeling comes from….I just > don’t know. >Men don’t have reliable feelings.  You must be a woman to have >reliable feelings (aka: womenswayofknowing).  Don’t you have a few >undergarments to change down at the old ladies home?  My granny >said all the ladies at bingo are talking up a storm about ya

All I know about feelings is that I have a reliable  feeling of throbbing between my legs when I think about you, Jen.   Furthermore, I have a scorching burning feeling between my legs about a day after seeing your granny.

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> >Online threats!  Why not come after me, tough guy?  Bring your shit to >NC.  If you had any balls, I’d lop them the fuck off and save the >planet’s average IQ. > I have this feeling Jimmy would be hiding under the bed if anyone > actually showed up. I dunno where that feeling comes from….I just > don’t know.

Men don’t have reliable feelings.  You must be a woman to have reliable feelings (aka: womenswayofknowing).  Don’t you have a few undergarments to change down at the old ladies home?  My granny said all the ladies at bingo are talking up a storm about ya.

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My apologies to John R.  I urge everyone who has been taken by this to email: Include all headers, of course. James Hepler – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> There are some days when I just want to take a rusty knife and hack the > tits off some of the bitches who post here. > I found another new sig file! > Today is one of those days. > How could you be so affected by Usenet? > Jen, I’d suggest you not show your ugly face. > Online threats!  Why not come after me, tough guy?  Bring your shit to > NC.  If you had any balls, I’d lop them the fuck off and save the > planet’s average IQ. > — > James hepler > http://www.sorryaboutdresden.com > "The fact of the matter is that a very good high-school, unranked, male > tennis player can beat the best female tennis > player in the world." > -O’Reilly Enright

– James hepler http://www.sorryaboutdresden.com "The fact of the matter is that a very good high-school, unranked, male tennis player can beat the best female tennis player in the world." -O’Reilly Enright

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> There are some days when I just want to take a rusty knife and hack the > tits off some of the bitches who post here. > Today is one of those days. > Jen, I’d suggest you not show your ugly face. > JCR

John, you are one sick disgusting jerk.  But hey…that’s typical of men. I have heard several of them talk in a similar manner (though, not quite as graphic with the rusty knife). I despise your type. Besides, what are you doing in a FEMINIST’s newsroom?!?  Good grief…

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> I’m thinking bloody stumps would make a women a bit MORE bitchier. > Maybe some aromatherapy will better suit your needs. Or a spa day. Get a > cucumber facial with an apricot wash. You’ll feel so much better. > Melissa

As you have seen by John’s charming answer to your post, it’s usually smarter NOT to feed the trolls….. gloria p

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> There are some days when I just want to take a rusty knife and hack the > tits off some of the bitches who post here.

I found another new sig file! > Today is one of those days.

How could you be so affected by Usenet? > Jen, I’d suggest you not show your ugly face.

Online threats!  Why not come after me, tough guy?  Bring your shit to NC.  If you had any balls, I’d lop them the fuck off and save the planet’s average IQ. — James hepler http://www.sorryaboutdresden.com "The fact of the matter is that a very good high-school, unranked, male tennis player can beat the best female tennis player in the world." -O’Reilly Enright

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>There are some days when I just want to take a rusty knife and hack the >tits off some of the bitches who post here. >Today is one of those days.

Now, now, John.  Take a pill, or something.  Take a couple of deep breaths.   There.  Isn’t it better now? >Jen, I’d suggest you not show your ugly face.

What would we do without our Jen?  In the immortal words of the head vampire from the X Files, She’s a bit of a kook, but she’s *our* kook.

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 I did not post the article to which I’m responding.  Read its headers; it was posted from an anonymous remailer. The forger is almost certainly Dave Moore, whose past Usenet forgeries I’ve chronicled at http://www.fc.net/~wrain/dmtc.html.  He’s quite fond of forging racist and sexist slurs in the names of his detractors.  By the most extraordinary coincidence, I recently called him out on another forgery; I now find myself dealing with similar forgeries in my own name.  How very subtle. I’m sorry he wasted your time. JCR —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://www.gnupg.org/ — GPLed OpenPGP-compatible encryption iD8DBQE5QaNKf/nQEa9cIUsRAjUfAKCeG97XzH8S2HgL+qViGHAR53VTJwCbBDEf /X7whz8X9d4gOeJKk40iPkA= =jhqm —–END PGP SIGNATURE—–

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 I did not post the article to which I’m responding.  Read its headers; it was posted from an anonymous remailer. The forger is almost certainly Dave Moore, whose past Usenet forgeries I’ve chronicled at http://www.fc.net/~wrain/dmtc.html.  He’s quite fond of forging racist and sexist slurs in the names of his detractors.  By the most extraordinary coincidence, I recently called him out on another forgery; I now find myself dealing with similar forgeries in my own name.  How very subtle. I’m sorry he wasted your time. JCR —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://www.gnupg.org/ — GPLed OpenPGP-compatible encryption iD8DBQE5QaMuf/nQEa9cIUsRAiBoAJ9K2nUcTFLtlzo5by1TwP6h/brwMQCggYgp RlZHYJxEL5n0tH2rRjOUJZQ= =q69v —–END PGP SIGNATURE—–

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>There are some days when I just want to take a rusty knife and hack the >tits off some of the bitches who post here.

Sounds like you have issues. As you were growing up, how was your relationship with your mother?

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I would suppose this doesn’t concern me since the name read Jen, but then again just to confirm…..

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I’m thinking bloody stumps would make a women a bit MORE bitchier. Maybe some aromatherapy will better suit your needs. Or a spa day. Get a cucumber facial with an apricot wash. You’ll feel so much better. Melissa – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > There are some days when I just want to take a rusty knife and hack the > tits off some of the bitches who post here. > Today is one of those days. > Jen, I’d suggest you not show your ugly face. > JCR

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>I’m thinking bloody stumps would make a women a bit MORE bitchier. >Maybe some aromatherapy will better suit your needs. Or a spa day. Get a >cucumber facial with an apricot wash. You’ll feel so much better. >Melissa

I was rather thinking of a sperm facial of me jacking off all over your lovely face. JCR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> There are some days when I just want to take a rusty knife and hack the > tits off some of the bitches who post here. > Today is one of those days. > Jen, I’d suggest you not show your ugly face. > JCR

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There are some days when I just want to take a rusty knife and hack the tits off some of the bitches who post here. Today is one of those days. Jen, I’d suggest you not show your ugly face. JCR

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I had a six hour hyperbaric oxygen treatment for "the bends" I got while scuba diving. It didn’t seem to make any difference. However, perhaps I did not have enough of it. Before you buy.

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Okay, So now i only have to cross "the pond" to get hyperbaric therapy! Wonder if its tax deductable?! Amanda :^) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> A quick net search for "hyperbaric" and "Crohn’s": > These sites advertise their chambres for Crohn’s patients: > http://www.hyperbaricservices.com/html/medconditions4.html > http://www.llorente.com/hyperbaric/investig.htm > There’s a nice picture of a chamber at this site: > http://www.hyperbarics.net/SanDiego/

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What food(s) exactly do you mean by ’salad’?  Lettuce?  What foods are these that have nitrate in them?  Can I get the same effect by chewing deli? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->you do not have to eat the salad, chewing it is enough. What happens is that >the nitrate from the salad is converted to nitrite by bacteria on the back >of the tongue and this in turn is changed to nitrous oxide what kills the >bacteria that cause D. so you can spit the salad out after chewing. weird. >If you kill the bacteria on the back of the tongue by using mouthwash for >instance then you are out of luck. UC caused by mouthwash? who knows. >take care >Rob.

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you do not have to eat the salad, chewing it is enough. What happens is that the nitrate from the salad is converted to nitrite by bacteria on the back of the tongue and this in turn is changed to nitrous oxide what kills the bacteria that cause D. so you can spit the salad out after chewing. weird. If you kill the bacteria on the back of the tongue by using mouthwash for instance then you are out of luck. UC caused by mouthwash? who knows. take care Rob.

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This is wierd? Next, they’ll be inventing a salad essence to sniff! Or a salad version of aromatherapy! lol…. Bryan

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A quick net search for "hyperbaric" and "Crohn’s": These sites advertise their chambres for Crohn’s patients: http://www.hyperbaricservices.com/html/medconditions4.html http://www.llorente.com/hyperbaric/investig.htm There’s a nice picture of a chamber at this site: http://www.hyperbarics.net/SanDiego/

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> Okay, > So how do we get this hyperbaric oxygen? I cant eat salad so could i get it > bottled – a la Michael Jackson style?

You get hyperbaric oxygen inside a pressurized tank at a hospital that has one. Larry — Larry Finch N 40