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My son has ADD/with depression. His depression at the time was diagnosed as having to do with the inability to handle school. They did not want to diagnose him as manic- depressive since he was going through adolensence. My daughter who is 22 was diagnosed with manic-depression about a year ago. I would like some info about it as he suddenly is going through this behavior again after 6 months of being fine. I homeschool so the pressure of what was happening in school is no longer there. Plus this behavior is different. He is laying around and doing absolutely nothing. He does not want to be bothered with questions or bugged at all. Although it changes hour after after and day by day. Any info would be helpful. Thanks Regina
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Regina: Sorry to hear about your troubles. You do not say whether your son is on medication. My story is that I’ve been m-d bipolar type II all my life, but I was not diagnosed until 18 months ago. Before the diagnosis, the effect of disease increased steadily, with sporadic episodes of what you describe your son is going through. I went on medicine eighteen months ago, felt great for almost a year, and now have been in slump for six months. There’s nothing I’d rather do than sit in front of this computer. I don’t feel like doing anything, not even talking with my family. This, while I’m on medication (450mg Wellbutrin, 900 lithium, 20 mg paxil)
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Hello Syd et al, You are correct in your understanding that calcium and magnesium affect each others absorption. As I and others are researching Essential oils that may help in preventing or at least slowing down the effects of Ostoporeosis, this link was checked and established with the help and advice of "Conventional" doctors in the NHS, who are open minded. The early results also appear to indicate that Zinc could also be important in the absorbtion of calcium and magnesium. >As for calcium and magnesium affecting each others’ absorption >competitively, I believe this is so, but I can’t promise you that Steve >Harris won’t jump in and declare this a nutrition myth (and worse, be >right). >[snip] >Linda >Syd
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >writes: >>>Some other drug alternative/adjuncts for bipolar disorder backed by >>>some clinical research: calcium restriction, acetylcholine precursors >>>(choline, lecithin, phosphatidylcholine) for mania, negative air ions >>>for mania, glycine for mania. >>Any idea why calcium restriction has an effect on Pipolar disorder? >>Linda >I can’t remember what the scientists in this area hypothesize, but >calcium’s rather competitive relationship with magnesium in the body >could be the basis for it. >This competitive relationship between calcium and magnesium, does this >have anything to do with what I have read about calcium intake being high >causing loses ot magnesium and vice versa? I have read in more than one >place that calcium/magnesium should be taken in in a 2:1 ratio. Any back >up on this?
I don’t have expert knowledge in this area, but it’s my understanding that — in their capacity as electrolytes — Ca++ (ionic calcium) and Mg++ (ionic magnesium) have to be in a certain ratio within cells and in the extracellular fluid in order for things to be (to use the scientific term) hunky dory. For a long time, nutritional mavens have recommended the 2:1 ratio for supplementation; but recently, some have revised this to a 1:1 ratio. I don’t know what the scientific merits of these differing recommendations are. The type of calcium and magnesium used would also have to be taken into consideration because these vary so much in their absorbability. As for calcium and magnesium affecting each others’ absorption competitively, I believe this is so, but I can’t promise you that Steve Harris won’t jump in and declare this a nutrition myth (and worse, be right). [snip] >Linda
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writes: >>Some other drug alternative/adjuncts for bipolar disorder backed by some >>clinical research: calcium restriction, acetylcholine precursors >>(choline, lecithin, phosphatidylcholine) for mania, negative air ions for >>mania, glycine for mania. >Any idea why calcium restriction has an effect on Pipolar disorder? >Linda >I can’t remember what the scientists in this area hypothesize, but >calcium’s rather competitive relationship with magnesium in the body could >be the basis for it.
This competitive relationship between calcium and magnesium, does this have anything to do with what I have read about calcium intake being high causing loses ot magnesium and vice versa? I have read in more than one place that calcium/magnesium should be taken in in a 2:1 ratio. Any back up on this? > This is because there are many indications that very >high- or mega- doses of magnesium can be mood regulators for bipolar and >unipolar depressives (e.g. evidence that lithium works, in part, by >boosting magnesium; the successful use of magnesium to relieve mania in >clinical trials). A high intake of calcium relative to magnesium >(common among people who eat dairy products liberally, but skimp on whole >grains and green vegetables) could result in a mood dysregulating imbalance >between these electrolytes in the central nervous system.
Again, the last reference I read was nursing text on the cellular fluid make-up. This text did confirm that calcium/magnesium is found in a 2:1 ratio. The first reference for this information was a book by Adele Davis. Linda
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writes: >Some other drug alternative/adjuncts for bipolar disorder backed by some >clinical research: calcium restriction, acetylcholine precursors (choline, >lecithin, phosphatidylcholine) for mania, negative air ions for mania, >glycine for mania.
Any idea why calcium restriction has an effect on Pipolar disorder? Linda
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>writes: >Some other drug alternative/adjuncts for bipolar disorder backed by some >clinical research: calcium restriction, acetylcholine precursors >(choline, lecithin, phosphatidylcholine) for mania, negative air ions for >mania, glycine for mania. >Any idea why calcium restriction has an effect on Pipolar disorder? >Linda
I can’t remember what the scientists in this area hypothesize, but calcium’s rather competitive relationship with magnesium in the body could be the basis for it. This is because there are many indications that very high- or mega- doses of magnesium can be mood regulators for bipolar and unipolar depressives (e.g. evidence that lithium works, in part, by boosting magnesium; the successful use of magnesium to relieve mania in clinical trials). A high intake of calcium relative to magnesium (common among people who eat dairy products liberally, but skimp on whole grains and green vegetables) could result in a mood dysregulating imbalance between these electrolytes in the central nervous system. There’s a weaker body of evidence suggesting that too much sodium relative to _its_ "see-saw partner" potassium may also be a common mood dysregulator in our society. It would be very interesting to see how much mileage bipolars could get out of regulating their mineral intake in accord with this evidence. Maybe megadoses of lithium (another CNS electrolyte) function, in part, as a bandage for this problem. Syd **** Syd Baumel Dealing With Depression Naturally (Keats Publishing Inc., 1995)
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > writes: >> Cure? Nothing. Treat? Lithium and anti-seizure drugs (valproate, >> tegretol, etc) >Good old allopathy—drug em to their eyeballs, and forget about the >causes. > We’re not forgetting about the causes. It’s just that we don’t know > the causes. And neither do you. The difference is that we know when > we don’t know the answers, and you’re just a dangerous fool. > BTW, if alternatives had discovered lithium for bipolar disease, > they’d be extolling it as "natural mineral cure," and singing hosannas. > Since orthodox doctors use it, why it’s "drugging them to the > eyeballs." Whether something is good or bad in the alternative world > really depends on whether or not you have to get a prescription for it. > With lithium as with estrogen and progesterone and anything else. > Steve Harris, M.D.
Well, lithium isn’t going to cure anything–even you know that, but the orthomolecular doctors such as Hoffer have been doing very well with nutrients for some time http://www.bbc.org/~hoffer/hofferhp.htm http://wirehub.nl/ortho/links.htm I guess you guys will get around to nutrient medicine when your drugs have run out—and the patients come last, as per usual. The Harris litany–cause unknow, no cure in sight, but we have some drug you can take, don’t worry about the side effects, we have some more drugs to take care of that. That will be $50 Billion bucks or thereabout. Thanks very much. See you at the next service–if you are still mobile, alive, or capable of thinking. Don’t forget to take your pills. I know two people on lithium and they have to be "locked up" every so often. Great medicine. Time you stopped playing medical politics and did a little more for your patients. John What You Should Know About Psychiatry and Psychiatric Drugs http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/3568/ Psychiatric drugs are worthless, and most of them are harmful. Many cause permanent brain damage at the doses customarily given. Psychiatric drugs and the profession that promotes them are dangers to your health. http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/3568/quackery.htm
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >writes: >> Cure? Nothing. Treat? Lithium and anti-seizure drugs (valproate, >> tegretol, etc) >Good old allopathy—drug em to their eyeballs, and forget about the >causes. > We’re not forgetting about the causes. It’s just that we don’t know >the causes. And neither do you. The difference is that we know when >we don’t know the answers, and you’re just a dangerous fool. > BTW, if alternatives had discovered lithium for bipolar disease, >they’d be extolling it as "natural mineral cure," and singing hosannas. >Since orthodox doctors use it, why it’s "drugging them to the >eyeballs." Whether something is good or bad in the alternative world >really depends on whether or not you have to get a prescription for it. >With lithium as with estrogen and progesterone and anything else.
Painfully true, but not universally so. Many orthomolecular psychiatrists, for example, prescribe lithium alongside of megdoses of niacin, low sugar diets, et al. Abram Hoffer, for example, finds that low doses of Li sometimes make a good mood-stabilizing adjunct in unipolars and bipolars. Hoffer prescribes drugs too — and even ECT; but where these are the staples of his colleagues’ repertoire, for him they’re usually just adjuncts or temporary crutches. Re estrogen/progesterone: while it is foolish for many "alternatives" to diss these hormones while showering unqualified praise on melatonin, DHEA, et al., I’m with them in their bias in favour of the most natural forms of hormone replacement therapy, including natural micronized progesterone as an apparently much better tolerated alternative to artificial progestins. BTW, some prominent Canadian psychiatrists (Guy Chouinard of McGill and his associates) have for years been using estrogen and progesterone as adjunctive mood stabilizers in unipolar and bipolar women. Ditto for their use of high doses of tryptophan and (experimentally, at least) magnesium. Some other drug alternative/adjuncts for bipolar disorder backed by some clinical research: calcium restriction, acetylcholine precursors (choline, lecithin, phosphatidylcholine) for mania, negative air ions for mania, glycine for mania. > Steve Harris, M.D.
Syd **** Syd Baumel Dealing With Depression Naturally (Keats Publishing Inc., 1995)
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writes: > Cure? Nothing. Treat? Lithium and anti-seizure drugs (valproate, > tegretol, etc) >Good old allopathy—drug em to their eyeballs, and forget about the >causes.
We’re not forgetting about the causes. It’s just that we don’t know the causes. And neither do you. The difference is that we know when we don’t know the answers, and you’re just a dangerous fool. BTW, if alternatives had discovered lithium for bipolar disease, they’d be extolling it as "natural mineral cure," and singing hosannas. Since orthodox doctors use it, why it’s "drugging them to the eyeballs." Whether something is good or bad in the alternative world really depends on whether or not you have to get a prescription for it. With lithium as with estrogen and progesterone and anything else. Steve Harris, M.D.
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> What could possible cure manic-depression? > Suggestions?
Andreas- There is a dietary suppplement I know about that a psychiatrist in Switzerland is now suggesting instead of Prozac and other similar medications.
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>> >What could possible cure manic-depression? > >Suggestions? > Cure? Nothing. Treat?
i agree you can’t cure it. It’s a body chemistry sort of thing. I think a lot of things can help. medicines of course but also yoga and relaxation, regular exercise and structure in your life and avoiding high-stress situations.
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> What could possible cure manic-depression? > Suggestions?
It seems to respond well to CES (cranial Electro Stimulation) which normalizes brain waves. Contact Tools for Exploration for more info. Gerry http://www.naturalhealthconsult.com
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> >What could possible cure manic-depression? >Suggestions? > Cure? Nothing. Treat? Lithium and anti-seizure drugs (valproate, > tegretol, etc)
Good old allopathy—drug em to their eyeballs, and forget about the causes.
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Since the causes for Bipolar Disorder I are in the structure, chemistry and functioning of brain components, and since this disorder can be devastating for the victim and those around him, it really is essential to use proven therapies to give patients any hope for an existence that approaches normalcy. If the pre synaptic neuron is producing enough serotonin, but the reuptake mechanism has gone haywire, what would you suggest other than SSRI’s? If you treat the depression and not the mania, how would the patient function? While Axis I conditions do respond to treatment, they are not considered cure prone by most pratitioners. DJ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >What could possible cure manic-depression? > >Suggestions? > Cure? Nothing. Treat? Lithium and anti-seizure drugs (valproate, > tegretol, etc) > Good old allopathy—drug em to their eyeballs, and forget about the > causes.
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hey! Lissen to me! > What could possible cure manic-depression? > Suggestions?
Tergretol and Paxil. in general, a mood stabilizer and an antidepressant. — hacking Clinton Anthrax nuclear bombing adgenda millitary coup cocaine crack heroin ANFO destruction GOP assainate overthrow arms deal plans millitia attack
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D> True Bipolar I Disorder (DSM IV) can be difficult to diagnose, but D> once that condition has been established, the most common treatment D> used is lithium. If the depression is more significant than the mania, D> antidepressant medication may be used. D> This is an Axis I disorder that may respond to treatment, but ongoing D> care and observation will probably be required. DJ — From personal observation, lithium is only effective for the disorder when a) cellular levels of Li are actually low, and b) cellular Na is elevated. While being dispensed as a drug, one shouldn’t forget that Li is just a mineral like sodium or potassium – just a bit more toxic when taken too much. — * Ron Roth
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>What could possible cure manic-depression? >Suggestions?
Cure? Nothing. Treat? Lithium and anti-seizure drugs (valproate, tegretol, etc)
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> What could possible cure manic-depression? > Suggestions?
MENTAL ILLNESS The Assemblage Point (energy medicine): "In Paranoia the Assemblage Point (AP) location and angle are to the right and down. In mania the location is high right and the angle is upwards. Manic depression and schizophrenia are associated with oscillations and splits in the Assemblage Point location. The sufferer oscillates between an elevated entry angle when in the manic phase and a very low entry angle when in the depressed mode. However, the "Pivot Point" remains the same location in both phases. Schizophrenia involves the oscillation of the AP between two or more locations. Unlike manic depression, the patient
The source doesn’t have to be online. Even a phone number would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. — Iain Hotchkies ambition: polymath currently: jack of all trades www.hotch.demon.co.uk corollary: master of none