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writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->: There he goes again, I really think he is jealous(filthy entrepreneur). >: Who make Paul the one who decides what is a ad and what is not.  Every >: time someone says anything about a product he says they are advertising. >Any time someone says anything about a product THEY HAPPEN TO SELL, then it >is advertising, unless they are talking about something that is available >through normal retail channels as well. >Commercial activity is not exactly rocket science. If you sell something, >disclaim that fact, and do not ask people to contact you by email, and don’t >use an ad signature. Now you can discuss your pet product all you want. As >soon as you move in for the sale, or to provide ‘more information’ through >e-mail, though, you will get a complaint sent to your postmaster toute suite. >The result of that is never mysterious. Seems that the postmasters of the >Internet innately understand the difference between commercial and >noncommercial activity. I fail to see why you do not enjoy the same >intuition. >Nothing worse than the cries of injustice made by the frustrated >entrepreneur! Don’t post your ads here, and you can go back to being just >another participant in the exchange of (noncommercial) information. >–

posting an ad.  I was just trying to figure out why you have a problem with MLM which is clearly a better way to market most products.  And why you have a problem with the American Dream, becoming a entrepreneur, going to work for yourself, accually making some money because you won’t unless do something besides what most people are doing.

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Sheesh! I happen to be a distributor for a multi-level-marketing COMPANY (NOT a scheme). MLM happens to be a great way for manufacturers to distribute goods to the public more directly than the standard route of renting stores, hiring employees, paying for the resulting lighting, air conditioning, carpeting, etc. If Paul Iannone and Mark Thorson feel that going to a storefront to purchase products makes said goods morally superior, then far be it from me to stand in their way. But I don’t see why they have to go out of their way to be offensive. (Are you guys always this rude, or is this just for special occasions?) When I saw the name of this newsgroup, I thought I’d check it out as a potential forum for the exchange of information not easily acquired elsewhere. If this is an example of the sort of flamewar–oops, I’m sure I meant "exchange of ideas" that goes on here, I’ll pass.  I already have my full quota of stress; I don’t need any more. Sue Renhard

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Dear Sue:Don’t let people bully you,exercise your God given freedom. I place my ad wherever I Feel it’s appropraite.I am on a quest to bring healing to those who need it,and those who complain end up in my mac-trash.  bye for now,  Robert

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>Dear Sue:Don’t let people bully you,exercise your God given freedom. >I place my ad wherever I Feel it’s appropraite.I am on a quest to >bring healing to those who need it,and those who complain end up in >my mac-trash.  bye for now,  Robert

AND THIS TYPE OF ATTITUDE WILL BE THE DEATH OF THE FREEDOM ON THE NET. When this becomes more commercialized with ads, you will have no one reading it just to read it. How many ads in numbers could this newsgroup handle.  20 per day 30 per day. 540 per day.? Will this become info commercial…. mandatory to watch a whole half hour to be able to read the other information.

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: Sheesh! I happen to be a distributor for a multi-level-marketing COMPANY : (NOT a scheme). MLM happens to be a great way for manufacturers to : distribute goods to the public more directly than the standard route of : renting stores, hiring employees, paying for the resulting lighting, air : conditioning, carpeting, etc. If Paul Iannone and Mark Thorson feel that : going to a storefront to purchase products makes said goods morally : superior, then far be it from me to stand in their way. But I don’t see : why they have to go out of their way to be offensive. (Are you guys always : this rude, or is this just for special occasions?) It has nothing to do with better or lesser quality. The point is simply that store-bought products aren’t remunerating individuals recommending them. Offensive? Ads are offensive. —

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: Dear Sue:Don’t let people bully you,exercise your God given freedom. : I place my ad wherever I Feel it’s appropraite.I am on a quest to : bring healing to those who need it,and those who complain end up in : my mac-trash.  bye for now,  Robert Dear Sue: unlike spirit.com, AOL will definitely get back to you when they receive a complaint from one of us. So you better sign up with a provider that doesn’t care about Usenet policy if you intend to take Robert’s advice. —

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Why does everyone get so upset over ads relating to the subject of the group? >I can understand not wanting unrelated ads in here, but I have seen posts from >people asking for sources of some of the products talked about!   >I bet there are people out here, who could use the source information >regarding some of the products being discussed.  There are people out there >who don’t even no about this stuff, never heard of it, wouldn’t no where to go >to get it.  We (including myself) could offer these people a place to turn to. >Yes, sometimes the product can be bought same price/even cheaper at a local >store, but some people don’t even live near a store.  And I think it would be >nice to hear feedback about these companies selling these products, maybe >there’s some good stuff out there.   >Give us a chance, for pete’s sake!  Not everyone is trying to rip people off! >Joyce Braverman

Joyce, Bravo, bravo.  Gutsy move.  Paul will probably be all over your frame in a few days for this. I read in another post about some do-gooder who chided someone about their use of pycnogenol as being only to fatten the wallet of those marketing the product.  Scuze me.  Recent experience of mine last week.  Went to my family physician.  He spent about 20 minutes asking some questions and then gave me a prescription.  Though I am a professional and have multiple degrees in my field with 2 1/2 decades of experience, I took his professional word that everything was okay.  My family has been going to him for years, so he knows the medications we’re on.  So, I was $55 lighter for his unbiased, professional opinion.  And a bunch more for the prescription.  Just to be cautious, I took only 3/4 of one tablet to see what, if any, reaction there would be.  This was 6 pm on a Wednesday evening.  At 4 pm the following afternoon, I had to be wakened at my bus stop.  I fought all day just to stay awake on 3/4 of a pill!  So, who benefited by my outlay of well over $70?  First, the physican got a major portion, and the drug company received the rest.  I guess there is one more man-made, synthetic chemical I found out the hardway that I cannot tolerate.  The sick part of this is his insinuation that if you are feeling as lousy in 30 days (prescription duration) as you do now, we’ll try something else.  Sheez.  Try something else on my wallet and my body.  Well, since I distribute OPC, I decided to up the dosage for a few days and what do you think happened?  Relief from a natural product marketed by one of those lower than life, scam artists, MLM religious freaks.  So, folks.  At least for me, increasing the amount of OPC (more potent that pycnogenol, and I don’t want to start a war with that!) for a few days reduces anxiety.  Not that it will do the same for you, but it does for me.   Now, does anyone have any war stories regarding their running battles with physicians and the amount of money and time they’re spending. If you can prevent the medical condition on the front-end before it becomes a problem, why not?   Bob —