My father has P and I just wondering how does it work? He got it when he was in his 30’s. Hes now in his 40’s. Can anybody explain how it starts, what it is, what it does? We live in Australia so most of the medicines you describe arent available here. He has tried many things to make it go, daivonex, betnovate, aromatherapy, oils, concoctions, salt water, soaking in oils, EVERYTHING! My mum told me his P went into remission about 3 years ago now, when he retired from his job as a loco – driver. But once he went back to working with my mum it flared up again… Can anyone shed light on the situation for me. Thanks. Robert.

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Basically when his psoriasis is active his skin cells are growing too fast. Normal skin gets a replacement set of cells every month or so, with psoriasis it’s every 4-7 days, which is the rate the autoimmune system uses to grow new cells at to heal a skin wound. Why does this happen? Well, they’re still working out some of the mechanisms, but it takes a mixture of genetic and environmental factors. People with psoriasis have a genetic fault leaving them suspectible to having their immune system erroneously kicked into gear to grow new skin at the wound healing rate. That’s where the environmental factors come in – you can have the genetic fault but not show symptoms until something triggers the problem into activity. These triggers can vary wildly and include things like infections, stress, contact irritations, a skin wound, dietary reactions. Not everybody responds to the same triggers, and there are also certain ‘peak’ ages of onset separate from any particular trigger.  When psoriasis is activated, the new cells are growing too fast and aren’t properly developed, so they build up, causing the flaking and redness (inflammation). I can give you a lot more techical stuff, but that’s the basic overview. There are some places listed in the FAQ in my .sig that also expand a bit on this. Actually even though you are in Australia, you probably do have most of the same treatments available, maybe just under different names. The exceptions would be things that are still being tested, such as Amevive.  And I know it must seem like he’s tried everything, but the odds are that he probably hasn’t. If he doesn’t already see one, he should try to see a derm *with a specialty in psoriasis* (not all derms are P experts) to see what else is available or maybe find more effective ways to use what he’s already tried, such as in combination therapy. It sounds as if he’s someone for whom stress might be a big trigger, given what you say about how it acted when he was working vs retired. Part of the way to alleviate psoriasis includes trying to eliminate or mimimize things that trigger it. Hope this helps. Yell if more questions. Kim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->My father has P and I just wondering how does it work? >He got it when he was in his 30’s. Hes now in his 40’s. >Can anybody explain how it starts, what it is, what it does? >We live in Australia so most of the medicines you describe arent available >here. >He has tried many things to make it go, daivonex, betnovate, aromatherapy, >oils, concoctions, salt water, soaking in oils, EVERYTHING! >My mum told me his P went into remission about 3 years ago now, when he >retired from his job as a loco – driver. But once he went back to working >with my mum it flared up again… >Can anyone shed light on the situation for me. >Thanks. >Robert.

The Psoriasis Newsgroup Resource FAQ can be found at               http://pfaq.cjb.net but will also be coming soon (twice a month) to a            newsgroup near you…

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: > : I’m looking for alternative remedies to stress either work related or : > : personnal.If any one can help me I would be most grateful, any ideas : > : welcome!! : > : > I presume that recommending that you take a holiday or find a better : > job is out of the question. : : Well I have left my shite job and am now at college in the hope of : getting a decent job. Also arranged a holiday to Australia leaving in : 11 adys and counting….hope that does the job! Thanks for the reply Good on you for taking action. I’m no stress expert, but it seems to me that medicine for stress, either conventional or alternative, that don’t address root problems are a bit misguided. Has anyone ever done research comparing alt. remedies for stress to plain simple old-fashioned relaxation? Cheers, Ross-c

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>Has anyone ever done research comparing alt. remedies for stress to plain >simple old-fashioned relaxation?

The effects of therapeutic touch and relaxation therapy in reducing anxiety. Gagne D, Toye RC. Togus Veterans Administration Medical, ME. Arch Psychiatr Nurs 1994 Jun;8(3):184-9 This study examines the effects of two noninvasive procedures on experienced anxiety. Thirty-one inpatients of a Veterans Administration psychiatric facility were randomly assigned to one of two treatment conditions, (therapeutic touch and relaxation therapy) or to a therapeutic touch placebo condition. An additional 13 patients were excluded because of failure to meet criteria for the study or failure to complete the procedures. Each subject completed a self-report anxiety measure and was rated for amount of motor activity before and after each of two 15-minute treatment sessions in a 24-hour period. Subjects’ belief in the effectiveness of the intervention was measured. Expectancy did not correlate with outcome and was not analyzed further. Multivariate analysis of variance (MANOVA) showed that whereas relaxation therapy provided significant reduction of anxiety on the self-report measure and the movement measure, the nursing intervention of therapeutic touch resulted in significant reductions of reported anxiety. The control group showed small but nonsignificant effects. Results suggests that both relaxation and therapeutic touch are effective palliatives to experienced anxiety. Implications for nursing theory are discussed. Best wishes — John Bain UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributor http://members.aol.com/JBainSI/Magnotherapy.html Surround Sound for Television

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> > Hi, > I’m looking for alternative remedies to stress either work related or > personnal.If any one can help me I would be most grateful, any ideas > welcome!! > Lisa > Lots and lots of exercise.  I started walking to work 3 miles each way.  I > went from a size 14 to a size 6, started sleeping better, and would get home > feeling much more cheerful and relaxed.  Eventually, the co-worker who was > making me miserable got pregnant and left, but I had her husband to thank > for that.

Just as a matter of interest is that American or UK size 6? I have just joined a gym that wasn’t too expensive but I’ m going through the whole pain barrier thing at the mo. Thanks for the response.

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> : I’m looking for alternative remedies to stress either work related or > : personnal.If any one can help me I would be most grateful, any ideas > : welcome!! > I presume that recommending that you take a holiday or find a better > job is out of the question. > Cheers, > Ross-c

Well I have left my shite job and am now at college in the hope of getting a decent job. Also arranged a holiday to Australia leaving in 11 adys and counting….hope that does the job! Thanks for the reply

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: I’m looking for alternative remedies to stress either work related or : personnal.If any one can help me I would be most grateful, any ideas : welcome!! I presume that recommending that you take a holiday or find a better job is out of the question. Cheers, Ross-c

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> Hi, > I’m looking for alternative remedies to stress either work related or > personnal.If any one can help me I would be most grateful, any ideas > welcome!! > Lisa

Lots and lots of exercise.  I started walking to work 3 miles each way.  I went from a size 14 to a size 6, started sleeping better, and would get home feeling much more cheerful and relaxed.  Eventually, the co-worker who was making me miserable got pregnant and left, but I had her husband to thank for that.

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Vitamin B12, deep breathing exercises, Yoga, massage, exercise.  Check with your doctor, perhaps he/she have some other ideas.  

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> Hi, > I’m looking for alternative remedies to stress either work related or > personnal.If any one can help me I would be most grateful, any ideas > welcome!!

I’ll second the exercise point, but I’ll add * Fresh air and sunshine * Music, preferably full-spectrum stuff like jazz and classical * Nature, any way you can get it: forests, mountains, ocean,   whatever — | May I have the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, | |  the strength to change the things I cannot accept, and the   | |    cunning to hide the bodies of those who got in my way.     |

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Hi, Aromatherapy works well for me when I get stressed.  For some useful oils check out my aromatherapy software at www.serendipityaromatherapy.com.  It will help you to select the best essential oils for your stress, while making sure that you are not contraindicated for them.  By the way, it is free to download it. Christina Whiteside Serendipity Aromatherapy www.serendipityaromatherapy.com   Hi,   I’m looking for alternative remedies to stress either work related or   personnal.If any one can help me I would be most grateful, any ideas   welcome!!   Lisa

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Hi, I’m looking for alternative remedies to stress either work related or personnal.If any one can help me I would be most grateful, any ideas welcome!! Lisa

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Time magazine reports a big disappointment with the Rx approach to solving depression. When you step back and look at the big picture, it is VERY CLEAR that it is plain old too much toxic stuff and not enough good stuff in the body that causes depression. I know this for a fact.      JAGUAR — http://homestead.deja.com/user.jaguarcats/DETOXIFICATION.html

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How is prozac toxic?

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It’s difficult to know how to respond to statements such as "it is plain old too much toxic stuff and not enough good stuff in the body that causes depression." Such a statement of sheer arrogance coupled with idiocy is in and of itself deserving of ridicule. But to tag it with "I know this for a fact" is like saying "I know angels exist." You are basing your statements on your own experience and opinions, not on anything remotely resembling science or even reason. If you insist on dancing around like a fucking hippie-assed twelve year old girl, twirling your skirt and throwing pixie dust on everyone while you spew forth your unconditional religious fervor for your unproven, highly questionable alternative medical beliefs, please, at least have the courtesy to appear as though you are attempting to engage in serious, thought provoking discussion. Give us a reason to listen to you other than to be entertained, the way a one is entertained by an annoying, attention-starved younger sibling. > Time magazine reports a big disappointment with the Rx approach to > solving depression. When you step back and look at the big picture, it > is VERY CLEAR that it is plain old too much toxic stuff and not enough > good stuff in the body that causes depression. I know this for a fact. >      JAGUAR > — > http://homestead.deja.com/user.jaguarcats/DETOXIFICATION.html > http://www.d

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> Any antidepressant is used to alleviate the symptoms of depression. > Depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain.  By taking > antidepressants you are trying to rebalance the chemicals of the brain so > that you can improve your mood and therefore use other methods to regain the > balance.  Exercise, nutrition and treatment of any physical illness which > contributes to the cause of depression and counselling all help in the > treatment of depression. > Veronica Fletcher > Hobart, Tasmania, Australia > Veronica’s Essential Oils and Aromatherapy > at http://www.geocities.com/auntieronkie/veronica

Not a completely crazy site.  A commendable lack of  ridiculous claims. Wish there were more like this. arf

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Veronica Thank you for an informed and balanced viewpoint, not common around here :>). regards Alarca

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Any antidepressant is used to alleviate the symptoms of depression. > Depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain.  By taking > antidepressants you are trying to rebalance the chemicals of the brain so > that you can improve your mood and therefore use other methods to regain the > balance.  Exercise, nutrition and treatment of any physical illness which > contributes to the cause of depression and counselling all help in the > treatment of depression. > — > Veronica Fletcher > Hobart, Tasmania, Australia > Veronica’s Essential Oils and Aromatherapy > at http://www.geocities.com/auntieronkie/veronica

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IT WORKS BETTER THAN PLACEBO, JUST AS WELL TODAY AS IT DID BEFORE. IT IS NOT THE ANSWER TO EVERYONES PROBLEMS, BUT IT DOES WORK.

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> IT WORKS BETTER THAN PLACEBO, JUST AS WELL TODAY AS IT DID BEFORE. IT IS NOT > THE ANSWER TO EVERYONES PROBLEMS, BUT IT DOES WORK.

     JAGUAR: I still say it doesn not get to the ROOT of the depression problem, which is toxicity. For instance, a lot of depressed people smoke, which is in itself making depression a lot worse. You can’t just take Prozac and make no other adjustments to your lifestyle, or you’ll never really pull out of the depression. Prozac should be a temporary measure! Not a lifetime drug!

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Any antidepressant is used to alleviate the symptoms of depression. Depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain.  By taking antidepressants you are trying to rebalance the chemicals of the brain so that you can improve your mood and therefore use other methods to regain the balance.  Exercise, nutrition and treatment of any physical illness which contributes to the cause of depression and counselling all help in the treatment of depression. — Veronica Fletcher Hobart, Tasmania, Australia Veronica’s Essential Oils and Aromatherapy at http://www.geocities.com/auntieronkie/veronica

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> IT WORKS BETTER THAN PLACEBO, JUST AS WELL TODAY AS IT DID BEFORE. IT > IS NOT > THE ANSWER TO EVERYONES PROBLEMS, BUT IT DOES WORK. >      JAGUAR: I still say it doesn not get to the ROOT of the depression > problem, which is toxicity. For instance, a lot of depressed people > smoke, which is in itself making depression a lot worse. You can’t just > take Prozac and make no other adjustments to your lifestyle, or you’ll > never really pull out of the depression. Prozac should be a temporary > measure! Not a lifetime drug!

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Guy, I knew that someone who drank more of this stuff than I would know how to correctly spell it :")) Once was DAMN sure enough for me!! Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Greek whiskey. UZO. When I first got out of the service (many moons ago) >I made a fool of myself with ample UZO. Goes down smooth, comes >up…. well.. we won’t go there. ;"( >Ken Williams > Ken > Wow, there’s a forgotten name  from my misspent  youth–it’s been > years since I had even thought of Ouzo! > Guy Anderson > Ripley, TN

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>Anise oil.

started using it back in the 1970’s, mixing it will vanilla extract.  It was the main ingredient in most of the early scents. Smells like licorice. Ronnie http://fishing.about.com

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Hi Jeff I had seen the artickle in the Fishing and Hunting Libraly over a decade that anise oil covers up the human scent. Hiromi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I reading a recent aromatherapy magazine while sitting down the other day. > I noticed an ad for Anise oil.  Supposedly this oil will take away human > scent and actually attract fish.  Has anyone heard of this?  Does any one > use it? > Thanks, > Jeff

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>Greek whiskey. UZO. When I first got out of the service (many moons ago) >I made a fool of myself with ample UZO. Goes down smooth, comes >up…. well.. we won’t go there. ;"( >Ken Williams

Ken Wow, there’s a forgotten name  from my misspent  youth–it’s been years since I had even thought of Ouzo! Guy Anderson Ripley, TN

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>aromatherapy magazine while sitting down

  This is by far the best description for taking a crap that I’ve ever heard!! LOL   Still Strippin’ Line in Pa,   George

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        My uncle Bud used to doctor two identical tubs of catfish cheese or blood bait with anise and set them aside. Then a week later he’d put one tub into a coffee can  that was perforated, wire the lid shut and tie on a brick.         He’d throw this into his favorite honey hole at the lake, wait a few days, and then go fishing with the other doctored tub. He’d be the only one pulling cats out of that hole, as they were used to the scent and taste of the doctored bait.         B3– Robert E. Longshore

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I used it in salt water many years ago and it seemed to help.  The attractant I use now has some anise oil in it and I feel it is as effective as any other. I’m not a big fan of the attractants but do use one for flippling. Lamar Middleton Winter Haven, FL http://www.LMbassguideFL.com >I reading a recent aromatherapy magazine while sitting down the other day. >I noticed an ad for Anise oil.  Supposedly this oil will take away human >scent and actually attract fish.  Has anyone heard of this?  Does any one >use it? >Thanks, >Jeff

Lamar Middleton Winter Haven, FL http://www.LMbassguideFL.com

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>I reading a recent aromatherapy magazine while sitting down the other day. >I noticed an ad for Anise oil.  Supposedly this oil will take away human >scent and actually attract fish.  Has anyone heard of this?  Does any one >use it?

Yes.  Some of the very first scented soft plastics and scent sprays were anise.  It is smells and tastes exactly like licorice candy. I have not used it. There’s also an anise flavored liqueur–not one of my favorites  :-[ Guy Anderson Ripley, TN

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Greek whiskey. UZO. When I first got out of the service (many moons ago) I made a fool of myself with ample UZO. Goes down smooth, comes up…. well.. we won’t go there. ;"( Ken Williams – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I reading a recent aromatherapy magazine while sitting down the other day. >I noticed an ad for Anise oil.  Supposedly this oil will take away human >scent and actually attract fish.  Has anyone heard of this?  Does any one >use it? > Yes.  Some of the very first scented soft plastics and scent sprays > were anise.  It is smells and tastes exactly like licorice candy. I > have not used it. > There’s also an anise flavored liqueur–not one of my favorites  :-[ > Guy Anderson > Ripley, TN

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I reading a recent aromatherapy magazine while sitting down the other day. I noticed an ad for Anise oil.  Supposedly this oil will take away human scent and actually attract fish.  Has anyone heard of this?  Does any one use it? Thanks, Jeff

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> I reading a recent aromatherapy magazine while sitting down the other day. > I noticed an ad for Anise oil.  Supposedly this oil will take away human > scent and actually attract fish.  Has anyone heard of this?  Does any one > use it?

Sure, this has been used for years.  I personally don’t use it but I do know guys that swear by it.  I suppose that if the fish really are being stubborn, you could give it a try.  It couldn’t hurt if the fishing is slow anyway, maybe it could mean the difference between fishing and catching. —

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        It’s as old as spitting tobacco juice on the lure. Anise will work but a lot of bass are used to it. It’s like summer reruns on TV. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I reading a recent aromatherapy magazine while sitting down the other day. > I noticed an ad for Anise oil.  Supposedly this oil will take away human > scent and actually attract fish.  Has anyone heard of this?  Does any one > use it? > Thanks, > Jeff

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Dr. Mark (and everyone else who has posted) Thank you for your helpful suggestions and insights.  I think you’ve given me a couple new leads to explore with my gastroenterologist, and that’s certainly better than nothing.  Dr. Mark, what you described sounds closest to what I’m experiencing, right down to the dehydration (I usually need an IV during one of my episodes).  If anyone thinks of anything else, or if someone new reads this and has experienced something similar, I would greatly appreciate any and all input. If you don’t feel like posting in this public place, for whatever Thank you everyone, once again. Simon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Symptoms: After eating, I vomit.  And then again, and again, and > again, until it’s just bile coming up.  I can’t sleep, and I can’t get > comfortable.  I sweat a lot, and I get dehydrated.  Nothing stays > down, not even pills.  The fits of vomiting usually last 8-12 hours, > with me vomiting maybe once every 30-60 minutes during the whole > ordeal. > It seems to happen to me randomly, maybe once every two months. > I’ve seen a bunch of doctors, who have done blood tests, x-rays, > ultrasounds, endoscopies, biopsies of stomach tissue, and a few other > tests, all of which have come back "normal".  In other words, the > doctors have no idea what is wrong. > I’m wondering if anyone out there has experienced anything like this, > knows anyone who has experienced something like this, or is perhaps a > doctor who knows what this might be. > Thanks, > Simon > Hi Simon, >      I haven’t gotten into a big research binge on this, but I have a > few thoughts off the top of my head (I’m assuming your doctor has > checked for gallbladder disease, intestinal obstruction, etc.): > 1)  This could be something called "cyclic vomiting syndrome".  This > is a variant of migraine, and it can exist in the absence of any > headache-type symptoms.  It typically happens in the time frame you > describe, monthly, every six weeks, etc., and the sufferer just pukes > like no tomorrow for hours…then it’s over.  They can vomit so much > that they get dehydrated and get in further trouble from that. > 2)  There’s another migraine variant called "abdominal migraine". > This one is typified more by abdominal *pain*, with or without > vomiting, but almost always including nausea.  From what I know, this > one can tend to occur more frequently (up to several times a week) and > may be associated with a migraine-like aura — a weird sensory > experience (a smell, glittering lights) that precedes the episode. > It might be helpful if you talk with your doctor about any past or > family history of migraine headaches.  I’m not sure how to make a > definitive diagnosis..it might involve an EEG during the episode. > I hope this helps. > Dr. Mark

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> What causes "intracranial pressure"?   Could it have gone away by itself? > I also wonder if it had something to do with her TS?   I’d appreciate any > further comments. > Thanks…. > Cher

Cher, Intracranial pressure (IP) depends on a variety of factors. Increased IP is not a disease per se, but rather a pathologic mechanism. I’m afraid, the list will be too extensive for posting, let alone each condition would require separate explanation. I will try to simplify things a bit. If I oversimplify, I hope somebody would correct me. Abnormal circulation of liquor (aka cerebrospinal fluid) is probably the most important cause for increased IP. It can be affected by pathology of meninges, like sequelae of bacterial meningitis, trauma, tumor, congenital pathology etc. Obstruction to venous blood flow can also cause increased IP. Increase in general blood pressure (AD) will also affect brain circulation. I am not aware of a direct connection betwen TS and increased IP, but you could check there were any attempts to discontinue prescribed medication. Sometimes too rapid a drop in intake of certain medicines may result in a variety of symptoms, including increased AD (with all the consequences, like headache and vomitting). Usually it happens when a patient desides that he does not need medication any more (for whatever reason). Children are sometimes very uncomfortable taking medications on a regular basis and can try to discontinue whatever medication is prescribed. In any case it will be useful to check the medication list with your doctor. Standard tests should be helpful in defining the presence and cause of increased IP. Eye exam will be helpful in determining status of cranial bloodflow. X-ray may show the indirect signs of increased IP. If necessary, computer tomography can be preformed (tumor, enlargement of ventricles, status of meninges etc.). Other tests can be performed as well. Ilia

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Symptoms: After eating, I vomit.  And then again, and again, and > again, until it’s just bile coming up.  I can’t sleep, and I can’t get > comfortable.  I sweat a lot, and I get dehydrated.  Nothing stays > down, not even pills.  The fits of vomiting usually last 8-12 hours, > with me vomiting maybe once every 30-60 minutes during the whole > ordeal. > It seems to happen to me randomly, maybe once every two months. > I’ve seen a bunch of doctors, who have done blood tests, x-rays, > ultrasounds, endoscopies, biopsies of stomach tissue, and a few other > tests, all of which have come back "normal".  In other words, the > doctors have no idea what is wrong. > I’m wondering if anyone out there has experienced anything like this, > knows anyone who has experienced something like this, or is perhaps a > doctor who knows what this might be. > Thanks, > Simon

Hi Simon,      I haven’t gotten into a big research binge on this, but I have a few thoughts off the top of my head (I’m assuming your doctor has checked for gallbladder disease, intestinal obstruction, etc.): 1)  This could be something called "cyclic vomiting syndrome".  This is a variant of migraine, and it can exist in the absence of any headache-type symptoms.  It typically happens in the time frame you describe, monthly, every six weeks, etc., and the sufferer just pukes like no tomorrow for hours…then it’s over.  They can vomit so much that they get dehydrated and get in further trouble from that. 2)  There’s another migraine variant called "abdominal migraine". This one is typified more by abdominal *pain*, with or without vomiting, but almost always including nausea.  From what I know, this one can tend to occur more frequently (up to several times a week) and may be associated with a migraine-like aura — a weird sensory experience (a smell, glittering lights) that precedes the episode. It might be helpful if you talk with your doctor about any past or family history of migraine headaches.  I’m not sure how to make a definitive diagnosis..it might involve an EEG during the episode. I hope this helps. Dr. Mark

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>Symptoms: After eating, I vomit.  

  How soon after eating? >It seems to happen to me randomly, maybe once every two months.

  Food allergy?  Or you occasionally get some food contaminated with Staph aureus enterotoxin?   KEEP A DETAILED  FOOD DIARY until you have had several of these episodes, and analyse what and where (and with whom) you ate. You might be able to pin it down to a seldom-encountered ingredient.   Tsu Dho Nimh A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.

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>Symptoms: After eating, I vomit.  And then again, and again, and >again, until it’s just bile coming up.  I can’t sleep, and I can’t get >comfortable.  I sweat a lot, and I get dehydrated.  Nothing stays >down, not even pills.  The fits of vomiting usually last 8-12 hours, >with me vomiting maybe once every 30-60 minutes during the whole >ordeal.

  There is a scarce variety of migraine that has more GI symptoms than headache pain, and if you are vomiting this much.  Ask the doctors to give you a trial dose of Imitrix (pre-loaded injectable migraine med you just whap on your thigh to inject) and take it when the episode starts and see if it has any effect.   But keep the food diary … food-related migraines are common. Tsu Dho Nimh A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Symptoms: After eating, I vomit.  And then again, and again, and > again, until it’s just bile coming up.  I can’t sleep, and I can’t get > comfortable.  I sweat a lot, and I get dehydrated.  Nothing stays > down, not even pills.  The fits of vomiting usually last 8-12 hours, > with me vomiting maybe once every 30-60 minutes during the whole > ordeal. > It seems to happen to me randomly, maybe once every two months. > I’ve seen a bunch of doctors, who have done blood tests, x-rays, > ultrasounds, endoscopies, biopsies of stomach tissue, and a few other > tests, all of which have come back "normal".  In other words, the > doctors have no idea what is wrong. > I’m wondering if anyone out there has experienced anything like this, > knows anyone who has experienced something like this, or is perhaps a > doctor who knows what this might be. > Thanks, > Simon

As Jeff mentioned "parasitic" infection – maybe you should check that you do not have anything to that effect. (Did you have a stool sample checked??) It could be an intolerance to food that you are ingesting. The sympathetic nervous system will go into overdrive and "expel" anything it considers bad out of the body, either by vomiting or evacuation of the bowels. Keep up the good work and I hope you get well soon. Cheers! Tracy

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Symptoms: After eating, I vomit.  And then again, and again, and > > again, until it’s just bile coming up.  I can’t sleep, and I can’t get > > comfortable.  I sweat a lot, and I get dehydrated.  Nothing stays > > down, not even pills.  The fits of vomiting usually last 8-12 hours, > > with me vomiting maybe once every 30-60 minutes during the whole > > ordeal. > > It seems to happen to me randomly, maybe once every two months. > > I’ve seen a bunch of doctors, who have done blood tests, x-rays, > > ultrasounds, endoscopies, biopsies of stomach tissue, and a few other > > tests, all of which have come back "normal".  In other words, the > > doctors have no idea what is wrong. > > I’m wondering if anyone out there has experienced anything like this, > > knows anyone who has experienced something like this, or is perhaps a > > doctor who knows what this might be. > > Simon > Do you have headaches prior to becoming sick?   Does it come on very > rapidly > and go away just as quickly?  Or does it come and go slowly?   Do you have > diarrhea or any abdominal pain? >     My daughter use to experience something sort of similar to what you > describe. > Her episodes would occur maybe once a month or once every 6 weeks, except > it > would always happen in the middle of the night.  She’d become deathly > ill, vomiting over and over again until only bile would be left.   She too > would sweat alot, her color would be extremely sick looking…sort of > between a pale and a green…(seriously).  She looked horrible and felt > even > worse.  This would keep her up for hours until she would eventually feel > better and go back to sleep.   In the morning she would be perky, and > perfectly fine….neither of us could ever figure out what caused it. >    For a long time we thought it was something she was eating that she was > having a reaction to.   But we never did find any connection between what > she was eating and what was happening to her.   Then I thought it could > possibly be something to do with parasites….Yucky thought, but they do > exist and can get out of control.  So we did a good cleanse.  Cleaned > those > pesky little critters right out of her, she was horrified, as was I at > what > exited her body.  Made the entire family go through the cleanse after > that! > LOL…  Anyway…we thought that had helped…but then sure enough she > became sick again…She hasn’t had a reoccurrence in quite > awhile…probably > over a year…and I honestly don’t know what to attribute that to. > Sorry I couldn’t be of more help….. > Cher > Cher, > It would be probably a good idea to see a neurologist as the symptoms you > are describing can well be due to increased intracranial pressure. > Ilia

Thanks for the advise… After responding to this post, I kept wondering how long it’d really been since she had experienced one of those "nights"…so when she came in tonight I asked her.  She said it’s been at least two years, maybe a bit longer…so I was "off" a good bit. She was actually seeing a pediatric neurologist every six months during this time..(Tourett Syndrome) and it seems as if we’d mentioned it to her (the neurologist)…but maybe not.   I know for sure that I asked our family doctor about it on several occasions and he never seemed very concerned or even curious….. What causes "intracranial pressure"?   Could it have gone away by itself? I also wonder if it had something to do with her TS?   I’d appreciate any further comments. Thanks…. Cher

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Symptoms: After eating, I vomit.  And then again, and again, and > again, until it’s just bile coming up.  I can’t sleep, and I can’t get > comfortable.  I sweat a lot, and I get dehydrated.  Nothing stays > down, not even pills.  The fits of vomiting usually last 8-12 hours, > with me vomiting maybe once every 30-60 minutes during the whole > ordeal. > It seems to happen to me randomly, maybe once every two months. > I’ve seen a bunch of doctors, who have done blood tests, x-rays, > ultrasounds, endoscopies, biopsies of stomach tissue, and a few other > tests, all of which have come back "normal".  In other words, the > doctors have no idea what is wrong. > I’m wondering if anyone out there has experienced anything like this, > knows anyone who has experienced something like this, or is perhaps a > doctor who knows what this might be. > Simon > Do you have headaches prior to becoming sick?   Does it come on very rapidly > and go away just as quickly?  Or does it come and go slowly?   Do you have > diarrhea or any abdominal pain? >     My daughter use to experience something sort of similar to what you > describe. > Her episodes would occur maybe once a month or once every 6 weeks, except it > would always happen in the middle of the night.  She’d become deathly > ill, vomiting over and over again until only bile would be left.   She too > would sweat alot, her color would be extremely sick looking…sort of > between a pale and a green…(seriously).  She looked horrible and felt even > worse.  This would keep her up for hours until she would eventually feel > better and go back to sleep.   In the morning she would be perky, and > perfectly fine….neither of us could ever figure out what caused it. >    For a long time we thought it was something she was eating that she was > having a reaction to.   But we never did find any connection between what > she was eating and what was happening to her.   Then I thought it could > possibly be something to do with parasites….Yucky thought, but they do > exist and can get out of control.  So we did a good cleanse.  Cleaned those > pesky little critters right out of her, she was horrified, as was I at what > exited her body.  Made the entire family go through the cleanse after that! > LOL…  Anyway…we thought that had helped…but then sure enough she > became sick again…She hasn’t had a reoccurrence in quite awhile…probably > over a year…and I honestly don’t know what to attribute that to. > Sorry I couldn’t be of more help….. > Cher

Cher, It would be probably a good idea to see a neurologist as the symptoms you are describing can well be due to increased intracranial pressure. Ilia

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Symptoms: After eating, I vomit.  And then again, and again, and > again, until it’s just bile coming up.  I can’t sleep, and I can’t get > comfortable.  I sweat a lot, and I get dehydrated.  Nothing stays > down, not even pills.  The fits of vomiting usually last 8-12 hours, > with me vomiting maybe once every 30-60 minutes during the whole > ordeal. > It seems to happen to me randomly, maybe once every two months. > I’ve seen a bunch of doctors, who have done blood tests, x-rays, > ultrasounds, endoscopies, biopsies of stomach tissue, and a few other > tests, all of which have come back "normal".  In other words, the > doctors have no idea what is wrong. > I’m wondering if anyone out there has experienced anything like this, > knows anyone who has experienced something like this, or is perhaps a > doctor who knows what this might be. > Simon

Do you have headaches prior to becoming sick?   Does it come on very rapidly and go away just as quickly?  Or does it come and go slowly?   Do you have diarrhea or any abdominal pain?     My daughter use to experience something sort of similar to what you describe. Her episodes would occur maybe once a month or once every 6 weeks, except it would always happen in the middle of the night.  She’d become deathly ill, vomiting over and over again until only bile would be left.   She too would sweat alot, her color would be extremely sick looking…sort of between a pale and a green…(seriously).  She looked horrible and felt even worse.  This would keep her up for hours until she would eventually feel better and go back to sleep.   In the morning she would be perky, and perfectly fine….neither of us could ever figure out what caused it.    For a long time we thought it was something she was eating that she was having a reaction to.   But we never did find any connection between what she was eating and what was happening to her.   Then I thought it could possibly be something to do with parasites….Yucky thought, but they do exist and can get out of control.  So we did a good cleanse.  Cleaned those pesky little critters right out of her, she was horrified, as was I at what exited her body.  Made the entire family go through the cleanse after that! LOL…  Anyway…we thought that had helped…but then sure enough she became sick again…She hasn’t had a reoccurrence in quite awhile…probably over a year…and I honestly don’t know what to attribute that to. Sorry I couldn’t be of more help….. Cher

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Symptoms: After eating, I vomit.  And then again, and again, and again, until it’s just bile coming up.  I can’t sleep, and I can’t get comfortable.  I sweat a lot, and I get dehydrated.  Nothing stays down, not even pills.  The fits of vomiting usually last 8-12 hours, with me vomiting maybe once every 30-60 minutes during the whole ordeal. It seems to happen to me randomly, maybe once every two months. I’ve seen a bunch of doctors, who have done blood tests, x-rays, ultrasounds, endoscopies, biopsies of stomach tissue, and a few other tests, all of which have come back "normal".  In other words, the doctors have no idea what is wrong. I’m wondering if anyone out there has experienced anything like this, knows anyone who has experienced something like this, or is perhaps a doctor who knows what this might be. Thanks, Simon

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Dr. Mark (and everyone else who has posted) Thank you for your helpful suggestions and insights.  I think you’ve given me a couple new leads to explore with my gastroenterologist, and that’s certainly better than nothing.  Dr. Mark, what you described sounds closest to what I’m experiencing, right down to the dehydration (I usually need an IV during one of my episodes).  If anyone thinks of anything else, or if someone new reads this and has experienced something similar, I would greatly appreciate any and all input. If you don’t feel like posting in this public place, for whatever Thank you everyone, once again. Simon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Symptoms: After eating, I vomit.  And then again, and again, and > again, until it’s just bile coming up.  I can’t sleep, and I can’t get > comfortable.  I sweat a lot, and I get dehydrated.  Nothing stays > down, not even pills.  The fits of vomiting usually last 8-12 hours, > with me vomiting maybe once every 30-60 minutes during the whole > ordeal. > It seems to happen to me randomly, maybe once every two months. > I’ve seen a bunch of doctors, who have done blood tests, x-rays, > ultrasounds, endoscopies, biopsies of stomach tissue, and a few other > tests, all of which have come back "normal".  In other words, the > doctors have no idea what is wrong. > I’m wondering if anyone out there has experienced anything like this, > knows anyone who has experienced something like this, or is perhaps a > doctor who knows what this might be. > Thanks, > Simon > Hi Simon, >      I haven’t gotten into a big research binge on this, but I have a > few thoughts off the top of my head (I’m assuming your doctor has > checked for gallbladder disease, intestinal obstruction, etc.): > 1)  This could be something called "cyclic vomiting syndrome".  This > is a variant of migraine, and it can exist in the absence of any > headache-type symptoms.  It typically happens in the time frame you > describe, monthly, every six weeks, etc., and the sufferer just pukes > like no tomorrow for hours…then it’s over.  They can vomit so much > that they get dehydrated and get in further trouble from that. > 2)  There’s another migraine variant called "abdominal migraine". > This one is typified more by abdominal *pain*, with or without > vomiting, but almost always including nausea.  From what I know, this > one can tend to occur more frequently (up to several times a week) and > may be associated with a migraine-like aura — a weird sensory > experience (a smell, glittering lights) that precedes the episode. > It might be helpful if you talk with your doctor about any past or > family history of migraine headaches.  I’m not sure how to make a > definitive diagnosis..it might involve an EEG during the episode. > I hope this helps. > Dr. Mark

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> What causes "intracranial pressure"?   Could it have gone away by itself? > I also wonder if it had something to do with her TS?   I’d appreciate any > further comments. > Thanks…. > Cher

Cher, Intracranial pressure (IP) depends on a variety of factors. Increased IP is not a disease per se, but rather a pathologic mechanism. I’m afraid, the list will be too extensive for posting, let alone each condition would require separate explanation. I will try to simplify things a bit. If I oversimplify, I hope somebody would correct me. Abnormal circulation of liquor (aka cerebrospinal fluid) is probably the most important cause for increased IP. It can be affected by pathology of meninges, like sequelae of bacterial meningitis, trauma, tumor, congenital pathology etc. Obstruction to venous blood flow can also cause increased IP. Increase in general blood pressure (AD) will also affect brain circulation. I am not aware of a direct connection betwen TS and increased IP, but you could check there were any attempts to discontinue prescribed medication. Sometimes too rapid a drop in intake of certain medicines may result in a variety of symptoms, including increased AD (with all the consequences, like headache and vomitting). Usually it happens when a patient desides that he does not need medication any more (for whatever reason). Children are sometimes very uncomfortable taking medications on a regular basis and can try to discontinue whatever medication is prescribed. In any case it will be useful to check the medication list with your doctor. Standard tests should be helpful in defining the presence and cause of increased IP. Eye exam will be helpful in determining status of cranial bloodflow. X-ray may show the indirect signs of increased IP. If necessary, computer tomography can be preformed (tumor, enlargement of ventricles, status of meninges etc.). Other tests can be performed as well. Ilia

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Symptoms: After eating, I vomit.  And then again, and again, and > again, until it’s just bile coming up.  I can’t sleep, and I can’t get > comfortable.  I sweat a lot, and I get dehydrated.  Nothing stays > down, not even pills.  The fits of vomiting usually last 8-12 hours, > with me vomiting maybe once every 30-60 minutes during the whole > ordeal. > It seems to happen to me randomly, maybe once every two months. > I’ve seen a bunch of doctors, who have done blood tests, x-rays, > ultrasounds, endoscopies, biopsies of stomach tissue, and a few other > tests, all of which have come back "normal".  In other words, the > doctors have no idea what is wrong. > I’m wondering if anyone out there has experienced anything like this, > knows anyone who has experienced something like this, or is perhaps a > doctor who knows what this might be. > Thanks, > Simon

Hi Simon,      I haven’t gotten into a big research binge on this, but I have a few thoughts off the top of my head (I’m assuming your doctor has checked for gallbladder disease, intestinal obstruction, etc.): 1)  This could be something called "cyclic vomiting syndrome".  This is a variant of migraine, and it can exist in the absence of any headache-type symptoms.  It typically happens in the time frame you describe, monthly, every six weeks, etc., and the sufferer just pukes like no tomorrow for hours…then it’s over.  They can vomit so much that they get dehydrated and get in further trouble from that. 2)  There’s another migraine variant called "abdominal migraine". This one is typified more by abdominal *pain*, with or without vomiting, but almost always including nausea.  From what I know, this one can tend to occur more frequently (up to several times a week) and may be associated with a migraine-like aura — a weird sensory experience (a smell, glittering lights) that precedes the episode. It might be helpful if you talk with your doctor about any past or family history of migraine headaches.  I’m not sure how to make a definitive diagnosis..it might involve an EEG during the episode. I hope this helps. Dr. Mark

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>Symptoms: After eating, I vomit.  

  How soon after eating? >It seems to happen to me randomly, maybe once every two months.

  Food allergy?  Or you occasionally get some food contaminated with Staph aureus enterotoxin?   KEEP A DETAILED  FOOD DIARY until you have had several of these episodes, and analyse what and where (and with whom) you ate. You might be able to pin it down to a seldom-encountered ingredient.   Tsu Dho Nimh A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.

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>Symptoms: After eating, I vomit.  And then again, and again, and >again, until it’s just bile coming up.  I can’t sleep, and I can’t get >comfortable.  I sweat a lot, and I get dehydrated.  Nothing stays >down, not even pills.  The fits of vomiting usually last 8-12 hours, >with me vomiting maybe once every 30-60 minutes during the whole >ordeal.

  There is a scarce variety of migraine that has more GI symptoms than headache pain, and if you are vomiting this much.  Ask the doctors to give you a trial dose of Imitrix (pre-loaded injectable migraine med you just whap on your thigh to inject) and take it when the episode starts and see if it has any effect.   But keep the food diary … food-related migraines are common. Tsu Dho Nimh A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Symptoms: After eating, I vomit.  And then again, and again, and > again, until it’s just bile coming up.  I can’t sleep, and I can’t get > comfortable.  I sweat a lot, and I get dehydrated.  Nothing stays > down, not even pills.  The fits of vomiting usually last 8-12 hours, > with me vomiting maybe once every 30-60 minutes during the whole > ordeal. > It seems to happen to me randomly, maybe once every two months. > I’ve seen a bunch of doctors, who have done blood tests, x-rays, > ultrasounds, endoscopies, biopsies of stomach tissue, and a few other > tests, all of which have come back "normal".  In other words, the > doctors have no idea what is wrong. > I’m wondering if anyone out there has experienced anything like this, > knows anyone who has experienced something like this, or is perhaps a > doctor who knows what this might be. > Thanks, > Simon

As Jeff mentioned "parasitic" infection – maybe you should check that you do not have anything to that effect. (Did you have a stool sample checked??) It could be an intolerance to food that you are ingesting. The sympathetic nervous system will go into overdrive and "expel" anything it considers bad out of the body, either by vomiting or evacuation of the bowels. Keep up the good work and I hope you get well soon. Cheers! Tracy

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Symptoms: After eating, I vomit.  And then again, and again, and > > again, until it’s just bile coming up.  I can’t sleep, and I can’t get > > comfortable.  I sweat a lot, and I get dehydrated.  Nothing stays > > down, not even pills.  The fits of vomiting usually last 8-12 hours, > > with me vomiting maybe once every 30-60 minutes during the whole > > ordeal. > > It seems to happen to me randomly, maybe once every two months. > > I’ve seen a bunch of doctors, who have done blood tests, x-rays, > > ultrasounds, endoscopies, biopsies of stomach tissue, and a few other > > tests, all of which have come back "normal".  In other words, the > > doctors have no idea what is wrong. > > I’m wondering if anyone out there has experienced anything like this, > > knows anyone who has experienced something like this, or is perhaps a > > doctor who knows what this might be. > > Simon > Do you have headaches prior to becoming sick?   Does it come on very > rapidly > and go away just as quickly?  Or does it come and go slowly?   Do you have > diarrhea or any abdominal pain? >     My daughter use to experience something sort of similar to what you > describe. > Her episodes would occur maybe once a month or once every 6 weeks, except > it > would always happen in the middle of the night.  She’d become deathly > ill, vomiting over and over again until only bile would be left.   She too > would sweat alot, her color would be extremely sick looking…sort of > between a pale and a green…(seriously).  She looked horrible and felt > even > worse.  This would keep her up for hours until she would eventually feel > better and go back to sleep.   In the morning she would be perky, and > perfectly fine….neither of us could ever figure out what caused it. >    For a long time we thought it was something she was eating that she was > having a reaction to.   But we never did find any connection between what > she was eating and what was happening to her.   Then I thought it could > possibly be something to do with parasites….Yucky thought, but they do > exist and can get out of control.  So we did a good cleanse.  Cleaned > those > pesky little critters right out of her, she was horrified, as was I at > what > exited her body.  Made the entire family go through the cleanse after > that! > LOL…  Anyway…we thought that had helped…but then sure enough she > became sick again…She hasn’t had a reoccurrence in quite > awhile…probably > over a year…and I honestly don’t know what to attribute that to. > Sorry I couldn’t be of more help….. > Cher > Cher, > It would be probably a good idea to see a neurologist as the symptoms you > are describing can well be due to increased intracranial pressure. > Ilia

Thanks for the advise… After responding to this post, I kept wondering how long it’d really been since she had experienced one of those "nights"…so when she came in tonight I asked her.  She said it’s been at least two years, maybe a bit longer…so I was "off" a good bit. She was actually seeing a pediatric neurologist every six months during this time..(Tourett Syndrome) and it seems as if we’d mentioned it to her (the neurologist)…but maybe not.   I know for sure that I asked our family doctor about it on several occasions and he never seemed very concerned or even curious….. What causes "intracranial pressure"?   Could it have gone away by itself? I also wonder if it had something to do with her TS?   I’d appreciate any further comments. Thanks…. Cher

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Symptoms: After eating, I vomit.  And then again, and again, and > again, until it’s just bile coming up.  I can’t sleep, and I can’t get > comfortable.  I sweat a lot, and I get dehydrated.  Nothing stays > down, not even pills.  The fits of vomiting usually last 8-12 hours, > with me vomiting maybe once every 30-60 minutes during the whole > ordeal. > It seems to happen to me randomly, maybe once every two months. > I’ve seen a bunch of doctors, who have done blood tests, x-rays, > ultrasounds, endoscopies, biopsies of stomach tissue, and a few other > tests, all of which have come back "normal".  In other words, the > doctors have no idea what is wrong. > I’m wondering if anyone out there has experienced anything like this, > knows anyone who has experienced something like this, or is perhaps a > doctor who knows what this might be. > Simon > Do you have headaches prior to becoming sick?   Does it come on very rapidly > and go away just as quickly?  Or does it come and go slowly?   Do you have > diarrhea or any abdominal pain? >     My daughter use to experience something sort of similar to what you > describe. > Her episodes would occur maybe once a month or once every 6 weeks, except it > would always happen in the middle of the night.  She’d become deathly > ill, vomiting over and over again until only bile would be left.   She too > would sweat alot, her color would be extremely sick looking…sort of > between a pale and a green…(seriously).  She looked horrible and felt even > worse.  This would keep her up for hours until she would eventually feel > better and go back to sleep.   In the morning she would be perky, and > perfectly fine….neither of us could ever figure out what caused it. >    For a long time we thought it was something she was eating that she was > having a reaction to.   But we never did find any connection between what > she was eating and what was happening to her.   Then I thought it could > possibly be something to do with parasites….Yucky thought, but they do > exist and can get out of control.  So we did a good cleanse.  Cleaned those > pesky little critters right out of her, she was horrified, as was I at what > exited her body.  Made the entire family go through the cleanse after that! > LOL…  Anyway…we thought that had helped…but then sure enough she > became sick again…She hasn’t had a reoccurrence in quite awhile…probably > over a year…and I honestly don’t know what to attribute that to. > Sorry I couldn’t be of more help….. > Cher

Cher, It would be probably a good idea to see a neurologist as the symptoms you are describing can well be due to increased intracranial pressure. Ilia

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Symptoms: After eating, I vomit.  And then again, and again, and > again, until it’s just bile coming up.  I can’t sleep, and I can’t get > comfortable.  I sweat a lot, and I get dehydrated.  Nothing stays > down, not even pills.  The fits of vomiting usually last 8-12 hours, > with me vomiting maybe once every 30-60 minutes during the whole > ordeal. > It seems to happen to me randomly, maybe once every two months. > I’ve seen a bunch of doctors, who have done blood tests, x-rays, > ultrasounds, endoscopies, biopsies of stomach tissue, and a few other > tests, all of which have come back "normal".  In other words, the > doctors have no idea what is wrong. > I’m wondering if anyone out there has experienced anything like this, > knows anyone who has experienced something like this, or is perhaps a > doctor who knows what this might be. > Simon

Do you have headaches prior to becoming sick?   Does it come on very rapidly and go away just as quickly?  Or does it come and go slowly?   Do you have diarrhea or any abdominal pain?     My daughter use to experience something sort of similar to what you describe. Her episodes would occur maybe once a month or once every 6 weeks, except it would always happen in the middle of the night.  She’d become deathly ill, vomiting over and over again until only bile would be left.   She too would sweat alot, her color would be extremely sick looking…sort of between a pale and a green…(seriously).  She looked horrible and felt even worse.  This would keep her up for hours until she would eventually feel better and go back to sleep.   In the morning she would be perky, and perfectly fine….neither of us could ever figure out what caused it.    For a long time we thought it was something she was eating that she was having a reaction to.   But we never did find any connection between what she was eating and what was happening to her.   Then I thought it could possibly be something to do with parasites….Yucky thought, but they do exist and can get out of control.  So we did a good cleanse.  Cleaned those pesky little critters right out of her, she was horrified, as was I at what exited her body.  Made the entire family go through the cleanse after that! LOL…  Anyway…we thought that had helped…but then sure enough she became sick again…She hasn’t had a reoccurrence in quite awhile…probably over a year…and I honestly don’t know what to attribute that to. Sorry I couldn’t be of more help….. Cher

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Symptoms: After eating, I vomit.  And then again, and again, and again, until it’s just bile coming up.  I can’t sleep, and I can’t get comfortable.  I sweat a lot, and I get dehydrated.  Nothing stays down, not even pills.  The fits of vomiting usually last 8-12 hours, with me vomiting maybe once every 30-60 minutes during the whole ordeal. It seems to happen to me randomly, maybe once every two months. I’ve seen a bunch of doctors, who have done blood tests, x-rays, ultrasounds, endoscopies, biopsies of stomach tissue, and a few other tests, all of which have come back "normal".  In other words, the doctors have no idea what is wrong. I’m wondering if anyone out there has experienced anything like this, knows anyone who has experienced something like this, or is perhaps a doctor who knows what this might be. Thanks, Simon

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>That may be *your* opinion? ><vbg> >~Krissy

ROFL  And I was sure it was gonna be you!   LOL Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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Hi Rox, I am de-lurking to say that I also HATE!!! having Sacroilliitis.  The pain is a deep aching pain that is always in my back and refers to my hips (where I also have Trochanteric and Ischeal Bursitis) which I get injected every once in a while.  It also travels down my legs to my feet especially when I lay down or after having attended aqua therapy on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. Every once in a while I also get a sharp pain that stops me in my tracks and takes my breath away. When I lay down my Achilles tendonitis gets worse and my heel pain has gradually gotten worse over the past few years. There are tooooo many nights when none of my pain meds even come close to taking the edge off. On those nights I would like to meet the people whom say that females get a milder version of AS than males.  Boy would I give them a piece of my mind. I was diagnosed with AS after I had an MRI done.  It showed the fusion and inflammation. As well as Codeine, Nozinan, Tylenol and Vioxx—I try— ice, heat, aromatherapy, meditation, guided imagery.  In other words when it gets bad I will try just about ANYTHING!!! I sure hope you are feeling better and are getting appropriate pain meds. ~~~Faye~~~

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>No, Mamma Char.  You are not crazy.

That may be *your* opinion? <vbg> ~Krissy See my pond: http://members.aol.com/KrissyJo/ponds.html Akron, Ohio http://arthritisinsight.com Knowledge is power…support is essential.

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>Between my probable Barrett’s >and her breast thing, both conditions which can be considered >pre-cancerous, what’s happening to us???  

Thats all pretty scarey.  Thank God you have one another to lean on!!! Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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>No, Mamma Char.  You are not crazy.

LOL  I havent even read the rest of the notes in this thread yet, but I would be willing to bet big money, that SOMEBODY has something smart  to say about that!!!!!  LOL Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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> Diane, > My pain, apart from the awful nighttime stuff, is also non-weightbearing. > Isn’t that interesting? Wonder why that is? > Mary

I dunno, Mary.  But, I don’t bear weight on my hands, and it hurts when I bend my fingers.  I just think that the inflammed bursa in my hip is located close to the SI joint, and possibly the inflammation just spreads.  It’s like a creeping crud. <g>   Also, by having to walk with a limp from the bursitis, I tend to throw other joints out of whack, like my SI joints.   — Di dabell at freeatlast dot com http://www.skybusiness.com/dabell2

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> > It often hurts, not when I’m weight-bearing but rather when I take my weight > off my leg > LOL  Then I am not crazy.  When my SI joint is flaring, thats the way it is for > me too. > Char > "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’. >  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

No, Mamma Char.  You are not crazy. — Di dabell at freeatlast dot com http://www.skybusiness.com/dabell2

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Hi Di,  I was afraid of that.  Cover all the bases because it looks like a problem today with one of you may be a problem tomorrow for the other.  That Lyme disease in your part of the country is a real curse. Please tell us about how it works out. Harv – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Di,  Beleive me when I say that I am not trying to start something > between you and your twin but does she have any of this?  Curious > mind kind of thing ya know. > Harv > Wow!  Funny you should ask, Harv.  And no, you’re not starting > something.  She and I seem to have different medical conditions, > for the most part.  I have my OA, bursitis, GI crap.  She has her > severe varicose veins, Lyme disease, and right now, adhesive > capsulitis.  And that’s where it gets interesting. > Remember, I said that I had ac a few years ago in my left > shoulder.  And, I think I also fairly recently mentioned that my > sister now has it.  Well, she developed it in both shoulders now. > It sucks big time.  She is seeing this wonderful orthopod.  He > was distressed when she presented with both shoulders being > affected.  He said that on shoulder, ok, but when both have it at > the same time, then you should start looking for cancer.  Oh my > God!  She asked where, and he said it could be anywhere, but she > should start with a mammogram.  So she did. > Then they asked her to come back and get a second mammo.  Sure > nuff, she has a cluster of fibrous calcifications in one breast, > which she is having removed on Aug. 3rd.  They will biopsy them, > but they are considered to be pre-cancerous at best. > I am just beside myself thinking about what she is experiencing. > And, I got really scared for myself, even though I only had it > in one shoulder.  So, tomorrow I am getting a mammogram.  I just > gotta know that I’m OK.  And, it’s been two years since my last > mammo, anyway.  This really sucks.  Between my probable Barrett’s > and her breast thing, both conditions which can be considered > pre-cancerous, what’s happening to us??? > — > Di > dabell at freeatlast dot com > http://www.skybusiness.com/dabell2

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Your SI joint is roughly (and I mean roughly!) is located at about the level of your hip/on your back/about midway between your hip and your spine.  That area where some people have a dimple. Did that make any sense? Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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> It often hurts, not when I’m weight-bearing but rather when I take my weight

off my leg LOL  Then I am not crazy.  When my SI joint is flaring, thats the way it is for me too. Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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> Hi Di,  Beleive me when I say that I am not trying to start something > between you and your twin but does she have any of this?  Curious > mind kind of thing ya know. > Harv

Wow!  Funny you should ask, Harv.  And no, you’re not starting something.  She and I seem to have different medical conditions, for the most part.  I have my OA, bursitis, GI crap.  She has her severe varicose veins, Lyme disease, and right now, adhesive capsulitis.  And that’s where it gets interesting. Remember, I said that I had ac a few years ago in my left shoulder.  And, I think I also fairly recently mentioned that my sister now has it.  Well, she developed it in both shoulders now.   It sucks big time.  She is seeing this wonderful orthopod.  He was distressed when she presented with both shoulders being affected.  He said that on shoulder, ok, but when both have it at the same time, then you should start looking for cancer.  Oh my God!  She asked where, and he said it could be anywhere, but she should start with a mammogram.  So she did. Then they asked her to come back and get a second mammo.  Sure nuff, she has a cluster of fibrous calcifications in one breast, which she is having removed on Aug. 3rd.  They will biopsy them, but they are considered to be pre-cancerous at best. I am just beside myself thinking about what she is experiencing.   And, I got really scared for myself, even though I only had it in one shoulder.  So, tomorrow I am getting a mammogram.  I just gotta know that I’m OK.  And, it’s been two years since my last mammo, anyway.  This really sucks.  Between my probable Barrett’s and her breast thing, both conditions which can be considered pre-cancerous, what’s happening to us???   — Di dabell at freeatlast dot com http://www.skybusiness.com/dabell2

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> Rox, I get lousy SI pain also.  Much as Mary described.  I am > going through a bout of it now, and I have it whenever I have a > bursitis flare.  So, I guess it’s associated with bursitis for > me.  It often hurts, not when I’m weight-bearing (leave that to > the bursitis ), but rather when I take my weight off my leg > and move my leg forward.  Oh, the pain in my SI joint.  Oh > God……  I hope you’re not experiencing the same, or similar. > It sucks. > — > Di

Hi Di,  Beleive me when I say that I am not trying to start something between you and your twin but does she have any of this?  Curious mind kind of thing ya know. Harv

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Diane, My pain, apart from the awful nighttime stuff, is also non-weightbearing. Isn’t that interesting? Wonder why that is? Mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Going through SI crap at the moment, I may be able to help you. > My SI pain is located in the back, on each side of the spine, sort of > right above the buttocks. If you feel back there, you can feel two bony > joints. That’s your SI. Like you said, the diamond right above the buttocks. > My pain also sometimes radiates to my outer hips (usually the right one), > but is normally confined to the SI joint. I don’t, however, know if the > hip pain is part of the SI pain, or something else. > My understanding is also that SI joint pain and problems are different > from spinal problems. I have spinal pain as well, but it’s totally > separate from the SI problems I have now. > Hope that helped! > Mary > Rox, I get lousy SI pain also.  Much as Mary described.  I am > going through a bout of it now, and I have it whenever I have a > bursitis flare.  So, I guess it’s associated with bursitis for > me.  It often hurts, not when I’m weight-bearing (leave that to > the bursitis ), but rather when I take my weight off my leg > and move my leg forward.  Oh, the pain in my SI joint.  Oh > God……  I hope you’re not experiencing the same, or similar.   > It sucks. > — > Di > dabell at freeatlast dot com > http://www.skybusiness.com/dabell2

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It took years for my SI pain to be diagnosed as well. It got VERY bad this past fall, but for a few years before this, I’ve had pain there on and off, and all the drs. said it was a disc problem. Mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > your body to diagnose apparently.  I had bacacke for over 2 years, and the > doctors kept saying it was a disc problem……it was deep in my lower back, > normally on the left, and the pain went down my thigh, even right down my > leg when it was really bad.  Eventually went to see an osteopath, who was > just as fazed as the Doctor, but after 7 sessions, he just happened to press > down on my lower back, and I screamed, and he said that it was my sacroiliac > joint, and that I had sacroilitis (inflammtion of the sacroiliac joint) > into my buttock, but it seems hard to place when you get the pain…….it > may hurt when you walk, say stepping on the leg that matches the pain site, > and if you stand straight, put your legs apart, hands on hips, and rotate > your pelvis, you may well feel it really hurt then.  Ive had sacroilitis on > and off for a year now, and it is the main reason they are diagnosing me > with AS, because AS normally starts in the SI region (or symptoms show here > first).  I dont know about you, but when the SI pain is really bad, none of > my pain meds can touch it, and I just have to bear it out.  I had x-ray > results back last week, and they also show no fusion on SI joints yet, > however, you would need an MRI scan to see properly.  Have you had the > HLA-B27 blood test??  If not, ask for it, if your pos, could mean you lean > towards AS. > Take Care anyway Rox, and write anytime,  because I know what hell this can > be like!! > Darren > Question for y’all.. > Where exactly is SI joint pain located?  Can it refer pain to the hips? > Outer, inner hips?  Groin?  Lower back (the diamond right above the > buttocks?) ??? > I’m curious to know as to whether I’m experiencing this or not.  My > x-rays showed no SI joint fusion.  Doesn’t mean the rest of my spine > isn’t screwed up, tho! > Thanks for any input > — > "There are some people that if they >  don’t know, you can’t tell ‘em." > — Louis Armstrong > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/9300

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your body to diagnose apparently.  I had bacacke for over 2 years, and the doctors kept saying it was a disc problem……it was deep in my lower back, normally on the left, and the pain went down my thigh, even right down my leg when it was really bad.  Eventually went to see an osteopath, who was just as fazed as the Doctor, but after 7 sessions, he just happened to press down on my lower back, and I screamed, and he said that it was my sacroiliac joint, and that I had sacroilitis (inflammtion of the sacroiliac joint) into my buttock, but it seems hard to place when you get the pain…….it may hurt when you walk, say stepping on the leg that matches the pain site, and if you stand straight, put your legs apart, hands on hips, and rotate your pelvis, you may well feel it really hurt then.  Ive had sacroilitis on and off for a year now, and it is the main reason they are diagnosing me with AS, because AS normally starts in the SI region (or symptoms show here first).  I dont know about you, but when the SI pain is really bad, none of my pain meds can touch it, and I just have to bear it out.  I had x-ray results back last week, and they also show no fusion on SI joints yet, however, you would need an MRI scan to see properly.  Have you had the HLA-B27 blood test??  If not, ask for it, if your pos, could mean you lean towards AS. Take Care anyway Rox, and write anytime,  because I know what hell this can be like!! Darren

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Question for y’all.. > Where exactly is SI joint pain located?  Can it refer pain to the hips? > Outer, inner hips?  Groin?  Lower back (the diamond right above the > buttocks?) ??? > I’m curious to know as to whether I’m experiencing this or not.  My > x-rays showed no SI joint fusion.  Doesn’t mean the rest of my spine > isn’t screwed up, tho! > Thanks for any input > — > "There are some people that if they >  don’t know, you can’t tell ‘em." > — Louis Armstrong > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/9300

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Going through SI crap at the moment, I may be able to help you. > My SI pain is located in the back, on each side of the spine, sort of > right above the buttocks. If you feel back there, you can feel two bony > joints. That’s your SI. Like you said, the diamond right above the buttocks. > My pain also sometimes radiates to my outer hips (usually the right one), > but is normally confined to the SI joint. I don’t, however, know if the > hip pain is part of the SI pain, or something else. > My understanding is also that SI joint pain and problems are different > from spinal problems. I have spinal pain as well, but it’s totally > separate from the SI problems I have now. > Hope that helped! > Mary

Rox, I get lousy SI pain also.  Much as Mary described.  I am going through a bout of it now, and I have it whenever I have a bursitis flare.  So, I guess it’s associated with bursitis for me.  It often hurts, not when I’m weight-bearing (leave that to the bursitis ), but rather when I take my weight off my leg and move my leg forward.  Oh, the pain in my SI joint.  Oh God……  I hope you’re not experiencing the same, or similar.   It sucks. — Di dabell at freeatlast dot com http://www.skybusiness.com/dabell2

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Going through SI crap at the moment, I may be able to help you. My SI pain is located in the back, on each side of the spine, sort of right above the buttocks. If you feel back there, you can feel two bony joints. That’s your SI. Like you said, the diamond right above the buttocks. My pain also sometimes radiates to my outer hips (usually the right one), but is normally confined to the SI joint. I don’t, however, know if the hip pain is part of the SI pain, or something else. My understanding is also that SI joint pain and problems are different from spinal problems. I have spinal pain as well, but it’s totally separate from the SI problems I have now. Hope that helped! Mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Question for y’all.. > Where exactly is SI joint pain located?  Can it refer pain to the hips? > Outer, inner hips?  Groin?  Lower back (the diamond right above the > buttocks?) ??? > I’m curious to know as to whether I’m experiencing this or not.  My > x-rays showed no SI joint fusion.  Doesn’t mean the rest of my spine > isn’t screwed up, tho! > Thanks for any input > — > "There are some people that if they >  don’t know, you can’t tell ‘em." > — Louis Armstrong > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/9300

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Hi, Rox.  The SI = sacroiliac joint.  The sacrum is immediately below your lumbar vertebrae and the ileum is the pelvic bone.  So the SI joint is the joint between them. The first time my SI joint acted up, I had severe groin pain.  Was really perplexed when hip MRI (ordered by rheumy) was normal.  A few months later I mentioned to my orthopedist that externally rotating my  left hip caused pain–he then put my left foot on right knee and compressed knee down toward the table and I hit the ceiling.  Diagnosis SI joint problem.  MRI of back also showed DDD of L1-L4, but no overt signs of sacroilitis.  You don’t have to have X-ray evidence of an SI problem–the clinical test is pretty diagnostic. I’ve since learned that it can cause pain in your back, hip, groin, thigh, etc. I’ve been referred to a pain management clinic for injections into this area, initial appt is in 1 1/2 weeks (been waiting since May).   Hope for your sake that it isn’t your SI joint.  I’ve had ongoing problems for 6 months now. — Marj To reply please remove nospam

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Question for y’all.. > Where exactly is SI joint pain located?  Can it refer pain to the hips? > Outer, inner hips?  Groin?  Lower back (the diamond right above the > buttocks?) ??? > I’m curious to know as to whether I’m experiencing this or not.  My > x-rays showed no SI joint fusion.  Doesn’t mean the rest of my spine > isn’t screwed up, tho! > Thanks for any input > — > "There are some people that if they >  don’t know, you can’t tell ‘em." > — Louis Armstrong > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/9300

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It’s in the very low back. I imagine it refers to the hips, I know mine does. Your doctor is the best person to answer this one. DeeTee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Question for y’all.. > Where exactly is SI joint pain located?  Can it refer pain to the hips? > Outer, inner hips?  Groin?  Lower back (the diamond right above the > buttocks?) ??? > I’m curious to know as to whether I’m experiencing this or not.  My > x-rays showed no SI joint fusion.  Doesn’t mean the rest of my spine > isn’t screwed up, tho! > Thanks for any input > — > "There are some people that if they >  don’t know, you can’t tell ‘em." > — Louis Armstrong > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/9300

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi, Rox.  The SI = sacroiliac joint.  The sacrum is immediately below your > lumbar vertebrae and the ileum is the pelvic bone.  So the SI joint is the > joint between them. > The first time my SI joint acted up, I had severe groin pain.  Was really > perplexed when hip MRI (ordered by rheumy) was normal.  A few months later I > mentioned to my orthopedist that externally rotating my  left hip caused > pain–he then put my left foot on right knee and compressed knee down toward > the table and I hit the ceiling.  Diagnosis SI joint problem.  MRI of back > also showed DDD of L1-L4, but no overt signs of sacroilitis.  You don’t have > to have X-ray evidence of an SI problem–the clinical test is pretty > diagnostic. > I’ve since learned that it can cause pain in your back, hip, groin, thigh, > etc. I’ve been referred to a pain management clinic for injections into this > area, initial appt is in 1 1/2 weeks (been waiting since May).   Hope for > your sake that it isn’t your SI joint.  I’ve had ongoing problems for 6 > months now. > — > Marj

Hey Marj! Hmmmmm.   It doesn’t seem to hurt to rotate the leg outward.  It’s just that I am having everything that is symptomatic of AS except there’s no Si joint involvement, and that’s what I’m trying to figure out. I think my RD is considering either ReA or arthur of IBD. He could have easily checked off Scoliosis for the back problems considering what the radiologist said but he didn’t, tho.  Is it possible for AS to begin from somewhere beside the SI joint???? O well, guess we won’t know if that’s what it is until 10 years down the road anyways! Thanks for your input! — "There are some people that if they  don’t know, you can’t tell ‘em." — Louis Armstrong http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/9300

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Question for y’all.. Where exactly is SI joint pain located?  Can it refer pain to the hips? Outer, inner hips?  Groin?  Lower back (the diamond right above the buttocks?) ??? I’m curious to know as to whether I’m experiencing this or not.  My x-rays showed no SI joint fusion.  Doesn’t mean the rest of my spine isn’t screwed up, tho! Thanks for any input — "There are some people that if they  don’t know, you can’t tell ‘em." — Louis Armstrong http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/9300

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This is hilarious. >Magnetism is quite helpful. >Dust some iron oxide on your pubic area.  As any homeopath or dc knows, lice love >iron oxides.  The lice eat this like fudge.

[...] >Finally, what you do with the magnetic lice after you remove them is your >business.  You might try mass marketing them to cure headaches in the idiots that >frequent this newsgroup looking for alternative cures.

Actually, I think you may be on to something here.  Headaches are one symptom of an deficiency of iron. Bubba

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wash the area of infection with soap. dry it. apply 1% permethrin creame. leave it on for 10 minutes. then rise with water. apply 1% gamma benzene hexacholoride.  Do the same for 2 days. Before you buy.

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Magnetism is quite helpful. Dust some iron oxide on your pubic area.  As any homeopath or dc knows, lice love iron oxides.  The lice eat this like fudge.  Then apply a powerful magnet but be careful that you do not have an erection at the same time.  (If you do, it may pull all the blood out of your brain and into your penis, causing you to pass out.  This may be embarrassing because your mother will walk into the room finding you passed out on the bed, with your boxers around your knees and a powerful ferromagnet in your crotch, with pubic lice doing cartwheels in your pubic hair, no less — try talking your way outta that one).  Anyway — the lice will all get pulled onto the magnet.  Afterwards do some applied kinesiology muscle testing on yourself.  This does nothing but makes the applied kinesiologists in the world feel better about themselves, and besides, they tried to help you but you wouldn’t listen, so you should at least try to help them. Finally, what you do with the magnetic lice after you remove them is your business.  You might try mass marketing them to cure headaches in the idiots that frequent this newsgroup looking for alternative cures. But seriously, how about calling up the nursing department of a local hospital or a free community clinic in town?  There are several over the counter topical insecticides that kill pubic lice. > Hi! > I have just found this newsgroup and was wondering if any of you kind kind > people could help me. > I am a 15 year old male and I think I have pubic lice (crabs). > I have heard that aromatherapy, and other essential oils could cure this.How? > If not, then could someone suggest a lotion or other medicine. > Thanks!

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Hi! I have just found this newsgroup and was wondering if any of you kind kind people could help me. I am a 15 year old male and I think I have pubic lice (crabs). I have heard that aromatherapy, and other essential oils could cure this.How? If not, then could someone suggest a lotion or other medicine. Thanks!

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> Hi! > I have just found this newsgroup and was wondering if any of you kind kind > people could help me. > I am a 15 year old male and I think I have pubic lice (crabs). > I have heard that aromatherapy, and other essential oils could cure this.How? > If not, then could someone suggest a lotion or other medicine. > Thanks!

You should take a trip to a pharmacist. They know what you need, and you have to buy it anyway -martinf.

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I don’t know about herbal remedies, but a trip to you local drug store for lice shampoo should do the trick.  Look for body lice specifically. . . don’t know of any name brands.  they are over the counter so you don’t need a prescription.  Try shaving it all off, it’s easier to get rid of them. Also mention it to your sexual partner. this is one STD that you can get even with protection so don’t pass it along.  Those little critters are mighty annoying. (can also get them from public lavs so look before you squat Good luck. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "How sad it is to look at happiness      through another man’s eyes"                             –Shakespeare http://www.xtravision.com/success

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I’m gathering suggestions and would appreciate any links or advice. Heather   EDD 3-1 first baby

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>I’m gathering suggestions and would appreciate any links or advice.

My wife is a midwife and tells of  two approaches that are impressive. Self hypnosis worked very well for one mum, but you need a lot of experience. Aromatherapy is producing good results in the UK and there has been an 8 year study at Brookes. There are two oils recommended for pain relief and one for massaging the perineum.   However there are some oils that are not recommended for pregnancy. I’ll pass any queries on to Pam. I have no studies on magnotherapy, but horses seem to like it when in foal.<g> Best wishes John Bain UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributor http://members.aol.com/JBainSI/Magnotherapy.html Surround Sound for Television

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>>I’m gathering suggestions and would appreciate any links or advice.

In Japan there is a folk-medicine technique called "easy birth moxibustion" (anzankyuu), done before labor.  I’ve done it a couple of times, and it does seem to help the delivery process.  If you’re interested, email me, I might be able to recommend someone to show you the technique. (hari33 at aol dot com) rh "Stop trying to cure them and they’ll get better!" – Kodo Fukushima

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Hello, its easy to access many lists of essential oils and what they are reputed to be good for, and likewise lists of ailments along with recomended aromatherapy treatments. There is much shared knowledge which on the whole seems to be consistent, But can anyone point me to where I can read where scientific case studies have been carried out? Is there any science base to aromatherapy or is it an instinctive art? Like herbal medicine, where treatments seem to work, and we only know because hundreds of generations have been finding out by trial and error.  Basically I need solid facts. Are there any? Martin Stansfield von Porque-Pantyfedwyn 2 Stoke Doyle, Near Oundle Peterborough, PE8 5TJ England Tel:+44 (0)1832 274 352                Fax:+44 (0)1832 274 392 Cell+44 (0)411 022 821

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> Hello, its easy to access many lists of essential oils and what they are > reputed to be good for, and likewise lists of ailments along with recomended > aromatherapy treatments. There is much shared knowledge which on the whole > seems to be consistent, > But can anyone point me to where I can read where scientific case studies > have been carried out? Is there any science base to aromatherapy or is it an > instinctive art? Like herbal medicine, where treatments seem to work, and we > only know because hundreds of generations have been finding out by trial and > error. >  Basically I need solid facts. Are there any?

Frankly, no there are not any facts. They are all a confidence trick to separate silly people from their money. Oils smell  nice, make you feel good, therefore will cure you. Urk! The one thing you will NOT find about any of these alternative cures are medically accepted facts. You will just find a stream of anacdotes: it cured me therefore it must work. See my comments here a few days ago on colloidal silver. http://kitsrus.com/pheo.html Cancer & Tumor Information site

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Basically there are no scientifically based  case studies available that I know of. Aromatherapy works on the absorption of essential elements into the system. What these elements do is to trigger a reaction in either our hormones or our adrenal glands. Consider for a moment – headaches are basically a result of a reaction to excessive amounts of stress in the system (I’m not talking about eustress – the good stuff). The traditional aromatheraputic response to this would be the inhalation of Lavander oil.  What this lavander does is to block a neural impulse (fight/flight) therefore lowering the amount of adrenalin going into the system.  The lowering of the amount of adrenalin also lowers the amount of stress being felt, therefore lowering the effect of what is commonly refered to as a headache. Have I Lost you yet?  :) Maria

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Have you tried tongue-cleaning? Don’t sic the irs bot-bait on me, I’m being serious. It will clean some of the post-nasal drip gunk off your tongue and at least you’ll feel a little better because of it. GreyAdagio (p/e) >Yuck. ></whine> >Pit >                                   pitwithavu(at)prozac-moments.com

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>I brush my tongue with my toothbrush and go as far back as I can without >gagging.

Some drugstores have plastic strips of about 3/8"x 6", 2 or 3 to a pack, and it does a surprisingly thorough job of scraping the tongue clean.  And no, it doesn’t hurt though it helps to have a 30% solution of mouthwash handy to kill the taste of the mucous sliding off the tongue. I suspect the origin of that implement is somewhere in the Orient, using bamboo strips. And the use of a neti pot prior to the tongue cleaning is recommended, of course. But you know this from the sinusitis group. > Somehow, I don’t think that’s what you had in mind.  You mean there >are people who have undertaken some sort of employment where part of their >job description is to clean other people’s tongues???  EEEEeeeeuuuuuuuuuuu.

Every once in a while you see a samurai movie where the lord is lying sideways with his head on the lap of his wife or mistress who is cleaning his ears. Have yet to see any instance of someone cleaning another person’s tongue, though. Maybe the Byzantine Empire had an Order of the Royal Tongue Immaculators. The post was passed on from generation to generation. GreyAdagio (p/e) — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:

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> >Pit, I used to get those *all* the time >so I can sympathize… >I tried this updated old-timey >receipe of salt water spray with lemon oil & >peppermint oil aromatherapy drops and this helps >keep down the infection.  I haven’t had a bad one for >almost a year now.  

actually my daughter used to have constant sinus infections, and rinsing her nostrils with warm water and a little salt was the only thing that really stopped it…… it sucked, she couldnt walk straight when they were bad. take care anna

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>Does anyone have suggestions on what to use to clean a dog’s ears? >Thanks…

i use tea tree oil mixed with water..swoosh it in and let it drip out kills everything and smells nice.. tea tree is an aromatherapy oil i used it on the kids when they had ring worm..and serious diaper rash..cleared both up in one day! later quote of the day: ROTISSERIE: ferris wheel for chickens

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My puppy had a smelly ear. My vet suggested using an ear syringe to squirt in some half&half vinegar & water solution.  He said to scoosh it in and out a few times, being careful not to let the bulb create a vacuum in the ear canal, then let the dog shake it out. This will clear out wax & dirt build-up, as well as changing the pH enough to rid the ear of bacterial infections, etc.  Anyone else tried this?? Joanne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Does anyone have suggestions on what to use to clean a dog’s ears? > Thanks… > Kathryn

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I recently switched from Oticlens (sp?) to "Animal Dermatology Laboratories Foaming Antiseptic Ear Cleanser" for my cocker spaniel. This stuff works a heck of alot better than what I used to use. With the previous cleaner Lady would go berserk after the application , rubbing her ears into the carpet until she made them worse of a mess than they were.. panting and puffing like a wild woman. None of this occurs with the new cleanser ANd it seems to do a better overall job. Anyone who has had a couple of Cockers knows how tough it is keeping their inner ears clean. Steve

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Try OtiCalm. I got it from my vet for my lab and it works great. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Does anyone have suggestions on what to use to clean a dog’s ears? > Thanks… > Kathryn

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I use Ear Cleansing Solution (that is what it is called) & it is a maintenance cleanser.  You can purchase from the Vet.

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Is there a difference in how these two products are applied or in the "ear cleaning procedure" when using one or the other?

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Does anyone have suggestions on what to use to clean a dog’s ears? Thanks… Kathryn

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1 oz. Nolvasan solution in about 15 oz. 70 isopropyl rubbing alcohol.  As good and cheaper than any of the marketed ones.

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>Does anyone have suggestions on what to use to clean a dog’s ears? >Thanks… >Kathryn

My vet recommended using Fleet’s Enema Solution, years ago. And both of my dogs get theri ears cleaned monthly with it. I take them outside, squirt quite a bit in, rub it around, and let em shake it out. Then follow up with a cotton ball to clean out excess. Lots cheaper than OTC ear cleaners…and extrememly gentle, (as you can imagine<G>). Neither of them have had any ear problems since using this….going on 4 years or so now. MaryBeth

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