– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Since Ray has not posted this I thought some might find it interesting. > Tuesday December 28, 12:16 pm ET > New Y Spa Menu Features Services for Younger Cruisers > MIAMI, Dec. 28 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ — Generation Y is getting a taste > of > adult treats — and treatments — with the introduction of Royal > Caribbean’s > Y spa, a menu of teen spa treatments and services specifically tailored to > the line’s younger guests. > "Y Spa provides the perfect opportunity for our teen guests to forget > about > school stress and return from vacation refreshed and ready to go," said

Man, times are changing…

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Since Ray has not posted this I thought some might find it interesting. Tuesday December 28, 12:16 pm ET New Y Spa Menu Features Services for Younger Cruisers MIAMI, Dec. 28 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ — Generation Y is getting a taste of adult treats — and treatments — with the introduction of Royal Caribbean’s Y spa, a menu of teen spa treatments and services specifically tailored to the line’s younger guests. "Y Spa provides the perfect opportunity for our teen guests to forget about school stress and return from vacation refreshed and ready to go," said David Stanley, vice president, Fleet Operations Revenue, for Royal Caribbean International. "It is also a chance for mothers and daughters or fathers and sons to share some quality time while being pampered by our spa staff." Offered fleetwide to male and female guests ages 13 to 17, Y Spa features treatments including massages, facials, hair and nail treatments, and fitness classes. To melt muscle tension away, teens can choose a 25-minute aromatherapy massage or a Surfers Scrub. The Scrub, an invigorating sea salt scrub with seaweed, is perfect for tired muscles after a day of rock climbing onboard or exploring ashore. Moms and dads can get in on the special treats and spend time with their teens with a 25-minute Mother and Daughter Paradise Massage or a Father and Son Chill Out Massage. Teen cruisers can tackle skin problems with a 50-minute Acne Attack facial, featuring an advanced oxygen treatment, or enjoy the sweet scents of a Fabulous Fruity facial that deep cleans skin with a mixture of organic, fresh fruits. Teens looking for a safe tanning alternative can take advantage of the Fake Bake — an invigorating body scrub followed by an application of self- tanning cream to the face and body. For special evenings out at the teen disco, Royal Caribbean’s salons offer styling sessions with a personalized consultation followed by color and a cut, as well as 25-minute manicures or 45-minute pedicures. At the gym, fitness buffs wanting to stay in shape on vacation can sign up for the Fitness Frenzy package. Participants sweat it out in three specialized boot-camp style classes run by the ships’ fitness staff and also receive a personalized metabolism test. Teen guests must receive parental consent to receive treatment from the Y Spa menu. Only teens 16 years or older will be able to participate in the Fitness Frenzy classes. Prices range from $23 for a manicure to $100 for a Stylin’ Session, which includes a personal consultation, color and cut. The Y Spa treatments were developed by Elemis for the Royal Caribbean day spas, which are operated by Steiner Leisure Management. Royal Caribbean International is a global cruise vacation company with 19 ships in service and two more under construction. The company also offers unique cruisetour vacations in Alaska, Canada and Europe. Additional information can be found on the company’s web site at http://www.royalcaribbean.com or by calling 800-327-6700.

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My wife and I visited the Carnival Legend today as part of the SSHSA. This is only our second visit to the NYC ports this year, the other visit was a few weeks earlier when we boarded, toured, and had a luncheon aboard the MS Rotterdam VI. It was a good day in the port as the Golden Princess was also docked as well as our old friend, the Zenith. For me, the Zenith was the best looking ship at port being a manageable size, having the most interesting paint scheme and seeming the most freshly painted, having her rakish look. The Legend is pretty slab-sided, plenty balconies, mostly white. The Golden looks like the Grand, lots of balconies, huge size, shopping cart handle at the stern. I’ll say the Golden/Grand are distinctive enough and definitely have a certain "presence" (that curiously the Voyager class lacks). So, the Legend is the second Carnival ship we’ve toured. The first was the Paradise, the final version of Carnival’s proven Fantasy class. We’ve not been aboard the big Destiny class, and the 86,000 or ton Legend is the 3rd of the Spirit class ships. I met up with rtc regular Joyce Rachelson and shared a table with her and others for lunch, and it was also was nice to meet up with some SSHSA/WSS regulars. Some of the SSHSA/WSS regulars are sailing aboard her right now on a 2 nighter to nowhere. The nature of a visit is somewhat similar to visiting a port on a cruise. You get a taste of the ship, an idea of the scenery, a flavor of some of the inhabitants. It’s  impossible to tell what the ship is like to sail aboard for a few days, so I can only give some impressions of a few hours onboard, and whatever comments I make about pax boarding were on for a 2 nighter, and not Carnival’s usual 7 night cruise. The Legend has made some progress over the Paradise. We saw one stateroom, an inside room. It didn’t seem to be much bigger than, say, 155 or so sq ft, but it was pleasant enough, and definitely upgraded over the Paradise staterooms. One of my observations about Carnival is that they play music in public areas louder than RCI and NCL and considerably louder than Celebrity and HAL and what I remember of Princess. Is it always this way? Can’t say. The Legend also has quite low ceilings in most public rooms. The atrium is about 10 or 11 decks, I’m guessing, and more rectangular than the rounded atrium of the Fantasy ships. The specialty restaurant sits at the top, in the funnel, and I was rather startled by how low the railings in the restaurant, overlooking the atrium, came up to the open area spanning 10 or so decks below. I seriously wondered if anyone could go over the railings and crash onto the bottom of the atrium in the event of a sudden lurch caused by rough seas. There’s also a plexiglass winding stairway that’s set at the highest point of the atrium that goes down one deck, connecting the levels of the restaurant. Walking on that was quite an experience, disconcerting to me, maybe panic evoking to someone with vertigo. The lunch was in the main dining room which is located in the stern of the ship and is two levels. It’s that way in many new ships, but the Legend doesn’t have the big open windows affording views that some of the other ships have. I guess HAL’s version will have more open windows and will have a different layout. As for the food, I’m not a big foodie, and it seemed fresh and well prepared. My wife’s comments were that they used the same garnishing for everything, the presentation wasn’t on HAL or Celebrity level, but neither one of us can say that we judged it as high a quality as what we had on HAL or Celebrity. But, this is just one lunch, and how representative it was, or how perhaps other entrees are, we don’t know. Carnival used Rosenthal China, Joyce noticed it right away, and I noticed they have a glass for white wine, a glass for red wine, and a water glass, just like Celebrity. HAL didn’t have particular glasses for particular wine on our luncheon. Later in the day the buffet was served in the lido area and we noticed a wide variety of food. We didn’t sample any but there seemed to be plenty of it and an outstanding variety of it, there were some lines but not any really long ones, though the area did seem crowded. And that’s a sense that we got while we were aboard, that the ship seemed crowded in the public areas. I think the ceiling height had something to do with it, or maybe it is just a concentration of the guests in mostly the atrium and surrounding areas and the lido area. I think an improvement over the Fantasy class is the gym area. It’s tiered now, so exercise equipment is on different levels, there are a few areas to relax. The massage rooms were very private, and one of the rooms had a very calming scent coming from it so I guess it was one of the aromatherapy rooms. There’s also plenty of massage rooms. Also, the gym area is located near the bow, and high up, like on most new ships, so pax can get nice views of the sea while working out. And there’s a fair amount of glass so you can look in many different directions and see your surroundings. Some similar areas to the Fantasy are the piano bar, the room is in the same layout, but the sports bar/lounge is different, the library is also an internet library and is quite small, there are actually more faux books in it that real books. There’s a small chapel, there’s an alleyway in an enchanted garden theme, a jazz club called Satchmo’s (after the legendary trumpeter) with pics of Armstrong around, a two deck or 3 deck show lounge at the bow like most new ships, so it has the features that one expects in Carnival. Deck areas were mostly on top but nicely divided, there are some plastic chairs that rock which my wife and I liked, the slide, aft pool, and there’s a teak promenade under the lifeboats and I’m not sure if it wraps fully around the ship or not. The atrium has a piano trio that welcomes in the passengers and pax are not escorted to their rooms (at least none that I observed). There’s also a table out with meat cuts placed on it, not sure if it was related to cooking or what it was. Most of the rooms in the ship have similar treatments and I found that it got monotonous after awhile. As expected from Carnival the ship areas are either very decorated, or over decorated, according to one’s tastes. I think only the show lounge, Satchmo, the disco, in some ways the dining room, don’t repeat the treatments but most of the rooms on the Carnival way street use the same elements. The ship is Millennium-sized, maybe a tick smaller, so I’m not sure if it is a size I feel comfortable with. The ship doesn’t really invite relaxation, I certainly didn’t feel that with the combination of the surroundings and loud music played everywhere, it feels designed to stimulate. I usually end up feeling inspired to sail aboard or not. So, this one is a unequivocal pass for my wife and me–far away from our style.  This is a winner for Carnival, it is an upgraded Carnival ship, this Spirit class. They can make as many of these as they’d like and I think they’ll be well received. For my wife and me it is not an alternative to a HAL, Celebrity, or Princess ship, nor does it feel as inviting to me as some RCI ships. And I have to say, though there are fun elements on the ship, and I’m sure it has the activities and entertainment to make it an entertaining cruise experience, with lots of choices for food of good quality and fine spa facilities, the ship’s a bit dull in its monotony from room to room creating for me a mono-mood feel, and was not as entertaining to tour as the Paradise. Ben S.

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>Dinner at Bahrs in >Highlands and then back home again.

Having grown up in Middletown, I remember eating at Bahr’s many times.  Didn’t know they were still there.  Is it still wonderful? Jo-Ann

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Moby’s is still there too…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Dinner at Bahrs in >>Highlands and then back home again. >Having grown up in Middletown, I remember eating at Bahr’s many times.  Didn’t >know they were still there.  Is it still wonderful? >Jo-Ann > I was surprised at what a nice meal we had last night, Jo-Ann! > Everything fresh and delicious. We were going to drive up to another > place in Bergen county that we frequent for dinner on Saturdays, but > saw Bahrs on our drive off Sandy Hook and decided to try them.  I’m > glad we did > They have a web site with a "Bahrs Cam", too: http://www.bahrs.com/ > Karen

Boy, does this bring back memories!  We lived just a block away from there in Highlands, when we assigned to Sandy Hook in the late 50’s! We went back to visit on an auto vacation in the late 90’s and ate there! Jean<~~~full of nostalgia after viewing the website~thanks Karen!

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is the clam hut still there?  remember eating there with my dad! — Sheree Join us on the SGC2003 to Bermuda http://www.hometown.aol.com/sgc2003 remove nospam to email

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Moby’s is still there too… > >Dinner at Bahrs in > >Highlands and then back home again. > Having grown up in Middletown, I remember eating at Bahr’s many times. > Didn’t > know they were still there.  Is it still wonderful? > Jo-Ann

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My wife and I are booked on Celebrity Galaxy out of Baltimore on July 29th. This is just our second cruise, and I am looking for opinions about the Spa treatments onboard.  Since we have 5 full days at sea, I thought it might be relaxing for both of us to get massages or other treatments.  Looking for opinions on quality / value??  Thanks.

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> My wife and I are booked on Celebrity Galaxy out of Baltimore on July 29th. > This is just our second cruise, and I am looking for opinions about the Spa > treatments onboard.  Since we have 5 full days at sea, I thought it might be > relaxing for both of us to get massages or other treatments.  Looking for > opinions on quality / value??  Thanks.

I have nothing helpful to add about the Aquaspa service, BUT I can tell you that I took that cruise and you will have a lot of fun ! — If you flame me, then the terrorists have won.

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Peter, The spa aboard Galaxy is fabulous, and I’ve never experienced anything but excellent service from Steiner personnel. Spa treatments are often our biggest single expense item, and for good reason. They’re incredible! Quality is extremely high. Although prices tend to be about 25% higher than typical land-based offerings, I consider the whole package (treatment, ambience, etc.) to be very good value. This is my wife’s and my way of spoiling ourselves. Something we rarely (if ever) do between cruises. In May, a full-body massage aboard Mercury was approximately $65 for 30 minutes, and around $100 for an hour. Do the hour! You’ll feel like a new person. Enjoying an expert massage in a relaxing atmosphere, combined with the subtle movement of the ship is as close to Utopia as it gets. My wife also enjoys facials, and we both had a course of eye treatments on our last cruise. They both get top marks from us too. Occasionally you’ll encounter a little pressure to purchase Steiner products (usually associated with the treatment you just enjoyed). Try to resist making any purchases immediately after climbing down from the treatment table. It’s very easy to say "yes" when you’re feeling so relaxed The one exception is their pure lavender oil. We’ve found this to be a great buy. We loved Galaxy (and its Spa). I’m sure you will too Steve. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->My wife and I are booked on Celebrity Galaxy out of Baltimore on July 29th. >This is just our second cruise, and I am looking for opinions about the Spa >treatments onboard.  Since we have 5 full days at sea, I thought it might be >relaxing for both of us to get massages or other treatments.  Looking for >opinions on quality / value??  Thanks.

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Candy Does the Ionithermie treatment really work? And if it does, how long does it last? I have been tempted,but I have never tried it. I’m sailing on  Mercury in September so maybe…… Jean

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Don’t know much about the spa treatments, Peter, but you are on the same cruise I will be on with my mom. We are on Vista deck, and you? June

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My wife and I are booked on Celebrity Galaxy out of Baltimore on July 29th. > This is just our second cruise, and I am looking for opinions about the Spa > treatments onboard.  Since we have 5 full days at sea, I thought it might be > relaxing for both of us to get massages or other treatments.  Looking for > opinions on quality / value??  Thanks.

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> My wife and I are booked on Celebrity Galaxy out of Baltimore on July 29th. > This is just our second cruise, and I am looking for opinions about the Spa > treatments onboard.  Since we have 5 full days at sea, I thought it might be > relaxing for both of us to get massages or other treatments.  Looking for > opinions on quality / value??  Thanks.

I’d add only one caution to what others have said. On our last cruise, I had a foot massage that felt like exactly what I needed. However, the next day I had a rash on one foot, which I think came from an allergy to something in the oil she used. I have very sensitive skin; lots of allergies, and I need to be careful. I also had some prescription steroid skin stuff that fixed up the problem in a few days, so no big deal. If you have skin allergies, you might want try try something involving only a small area, like feet, and see how it works out. All the "aromatherapy" business sounds like an allergy minefield to me. I mentioned this to one of their masseuses once and she assured me that everything they use is "natural", as if everything I’m allergic to wasn’t. 73, JohnW

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If you can trust their measurements, I lost 13.5" (measured in 6 places, but that’s about 2" lost).  The first time I had ionithermie I sat in the sauna for 5 minutes before the treatment and when I was done (only had one that cruise) my thighs were incredibly tight.  I kept them moisturized and the effect seemed to last for weeks.  I had two in January and two in May, both without the sauna before, and the results were not as good.  The mud and electrodes were the same, as far as I could see.  If I were you, I’d sneak a sauna first.  The tightness was really remarkable… and well worth it (and they usually discount on port days). Candy <– would like a cabin next to the spa just for the aroma! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > CandyDoes the Ionithermie treatment really work? And if it does, how > long does it last? I have been tempted,but I have never tried it. I’m > sailing on  Mercury in September so maybe……Jean

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I found that rather than go for the expensive massages and so forth, just using the Thalassotherapy spa was sufficient – it was better than any massage I have ever received. You switch from the Thalassotherapy spa to the steam room back to the spa. After a few switches you feel so relaxed it’s like you’re a wet noodle. Much better and cheaper than a massage. I would return to Celebrity for the Thalassotherapy pool alone. I had a deep tissue massage too and it was great. Heidi

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On our recent cruise on the Infinity to Alaska, my brother had a massage and said it was as good or better than his own masseuse.  My sister-in-law had a cellulite treatment and lost about an inch on each thigh.  She said it felt a little "weird", but liked the results and the service of the staff.  She used the Spa gym every day and gave it high marks.  The pool and hottubs in the spa are great and as suite occupants we had access to it (although I don’t think they were checking cabin assignments).  Try a sitdown in the sauna…on this ship there were great views of the Alaskan coastline  thru the large portholes, that beautiful aroma of cedarwood and it was incredibly quiet and peaceful. I had it all to myself one afternoon and it was heavenly!

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Cruise Review:  Carnival Ecstasy 11/23/01 3 night Ensenada Introduction This was our 8th cruise together. We decided to go on this particular cruise just a few weeks ago.  We wanted to do something for Thanksgiving, and decided that a cruise the day after would be a good way to enjoy the weekend. We also took my wife’s parents with us for this cruise.  This was our third time sailing with Carnival, and our fourth cruise in 2001.  This was our first experience on a Fantasy Class ship, as our previous Carnival cruises were both on the Destiny.  I will say up front that we had an enjoyable cruise on the Ecstasy. Pre Cruise We live in San Diego, and had never actually taken a cruise from the West Coast, so we actually enjoyed not flying in a day ahead.  We drove to the pier, and parking was abundant.  The charge was $10 a day, payable immediately. Embarkation Check-in was very easy.  We got to the pier at a little after Noon. My mother-in-law uses a wheelchair, and a Carnival rep. escorted us to special assistance check-in.  After giving us our sail and sign cards, we took the elevator up to the boarding level where another Carnival rep. got us our room keys.  One more stop to get our photo taken for the sail and sign card, and we were on board.  Our one bag we left with the porters made it to our cabin fairly quickly.  (We actually planned on carrying it on board our selves, but it was too big for carry on size x-ray machine). Our Cabin We had cabin M-106, a Category 6B outside cabin, right in the middle of the ship.  The cabin itself was very functional, and there was plenty of storage space.  We are now totally spoiled, and prefer a balcony cabin, but for a three-day cruise we didn’t think that it was worth the money to go for Category 11 or 12. We met our Cabin Stewardess, Erika from Romania right after the lifeboat drill.  She put both beds together for us, and did a good job keeping the cabin tidy.  We did get one towel animal on the second night of the cruise. At the Captain’s cocktail party on the second night, Erika was also one of the servers, and when she saw us sit down, she ran over immediately to offer us appetizers.  I thought she did a very good job overall. The Ship For a 10 year-old ship, the Ecstasy was in pretty good shape.  We did not notice any strange smells, the elevators worked for the most part, and the carpets showed only mild wear and tear.  If you like neon and flashy colors, the Ecstasy is your ship.  The ship’s layout is very easy to navigate.  The bottom three passenger decks have staterooms only.  The Empress deck has staterooms as well as the photo gallery and the Purser’s desk. Continuing our way upward, the Atlantic deck has the kids play room, both dining rooms, (named Wind Song and Wind Star) as well as the library, card room, shopping area and lower level of the main show lounge, called the Blue Sapphire lounge.  The next deck up is the Promenade deck.  Here you will find the upper level of the Blue Sapphire lounge, the casino, the Metropolis Bar, the Chinatown club, the Rolls Royce Caf

There are lots of Edgar Cayces around today — they’re called "psychics", "palm readers", & "fortune tellers".  Makes me want to go into a so-called trance (funny how so many of these cranks enter that state at the drop of a hat, huh?), make some general pronunciations ("You must eat only green vegetables when the moon is full" — no sillier than the rubbish that Cayce spouted), then sit back & wait for the accolades (& $$$) from believers who proclaim that I’m some sort of "enlightened practitioner" (another name for a person who doesn’t have a clue about what they’re doing, but doesn’t let One of my students was using one of Cayce’s oils last night in class. Whatever it’s so-called benefits are, it made the whole room smell like the PA turnpike restrooms after the cleaning crew was finished with it!  I fail to see the therapeutic benefits of assaulting client & massage therapist with the stench of Pine Sol.  Most of the Cayce massage oils have such a strong odor they are sickening, certainly not the purpose of aromatherapy or massage. Loved the inulin/insulin story — I hope diabetic Cayce believers didn’t follow *that* tidbit of nonsense. Michele – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Mark, > Do you have a reference for the inulin/insulin story – this would be a great > gag that i could use sometime when teaching. > oh yeah….what is inulin anyway? > Thanks in advance, > Andrew Austin. > Southampton, England. > >Having overcome multiple sclerosis using an alternative treatment > >suggested by the late Edgar Cayce (a man widely regarded as the father > >of modern holistic medicine), I have created 49 public forums which > >discuss Cayce’s approach to treating everything from acne to vitiligo. > >You can see them listed in the Clubs section of my Yahoo! profile at > Oh?  Who (other than you) considers Cayce "the father > of modern holistic medicine"?  Most of his prescriptions > were run-of-the-mill for quackery of the day, which would > have been known to his osteopath freind Laney, who conducted > the Cayce "readings".  Some of his prescriptions were just > plain stupid, like eating Jerusalem artichokes for diabetes. > In a reading, Cayce said they contain "insulin".  The entity > Cayce was channeling must have had a reading comprehension > problem, because there’s no "insulin" in Jerusalem artichokes, > but a significant amount of "inulin". > Does your web site also discuss Cayce’s predictions concerning > certain geological events that were supposed to occur in the > 1960’s and 1970’s?  Such as the western part of North America > being submerged under the Pacific Ocean?  Northern Europe > disappearing "in the twinkling of an eye".  Atlantis rising > from the ocean?  I’m still waiting….. > In fact, Cayce predicted his own reincarnation, around the > turn of the century (i.e. about now).  He would be reincarnated > in a town along the Pacific coast…. of Nebraska! > For more information, I recommend reading EDGAR CAYCE ON ATLANTIS, > written by his son Hugh Lynn Cayce.  I wonder what that guy does > for a living these days?  Does the A.R.E. receive enough donations > to support him?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi! > Having overcome multiple sclerosis using an alternative treatment > suggested by the late Edgar Cayce (a man widely regarded as the father > of modern holistic medicine), I have created 49 public forums which > discuss Cayce’s approach to treating everything from acne to vitiligo. > You can see them listed in the Clubs section of my Yahoo! profile at > http://profiles.yahoo.com/dudley_delany > Click on any club or clubs that correspond to your particular needs and > interests. > Check it out!

Good on you Dudley.  Edgar Cayce was a very interesting person and its a shame more people don’t know about who he was. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Very sincerely, > Dudley Delany, R.N., M.A., D.C.

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Mark, Do you have a reference for the inulin/insulin story – this would be a great gag that i could use sometime when teaching. oh yeah….what is inulin anyway? Thanks in advance, Andrew Austin. Southampton, England.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Having overcome multiple sclerosis using an alternative treatment >suggested by the late Edgar Cayce (a man widely regarded as the father >of modern holistic medicine), I have created 49 public forums which >discuss Cayce’s approach to treating everything from acne to vitiligo. >You can see them listed in the Clubs section of my Yahoo! profile at > Oh?  Who (other than you) considers Cayce "the father > of modern holistic medicine"?  Most of his prescriptions > were run-of-the-mill for quackery of the day, which would > have been known to his osteopath freind Laney, who conducted > the Cayce "readings".  Some of his prescriptions were just > plain stupid, like eating Jerusalem artichokes for diabetes. > In a reading, Cayce said they contain "insulin".  The entity > Cayce was channeling must have had a reading comprehension > problem, because there’s no "insulin" in Jerusalem artichokes, > but a significant amount of "inulin". > Does your web site also discuss Cayce’s predictions concerning > certain geological events that were supposed to occur in the > 1960’s and 1970’s?  Such as the western part of North America > being submerged under the Pacific Ocean?  Northern Europe > disappearing "in the twinkling of an eye".  Atlantis rising > from the ocean?  I’m still waiting….. > In fact, Cayce predicted his own reincarnation, around the > turn of the century (i.e. about now).  He would be reincarnated > in a town along the Pacific coast…. of Nebraska! > For more information, I recommend reading EDGAR CAYCE ON ATLANTIS, > written by his son Hugh Lynn Cayce.  I wonder what that guy does > for a living these days?  Does the A.R.E. receive enough donations > to support him?

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Hi! Having overcome multiple sclerosis using an alternative treatment suggested by the late Edgar Cayce (a man widely regarded as the father of modern holistic medicine), I have created 49 public forums which discuss Cayce’s approach to treating everything from acne to vitiligo. You can see them listed in the Clubs section of my Yahoo! profile at http://profiles.yahoo.com/dudley_delany Click on any club or clubs that correspond to your particular needs and interests. Check it out! Very sincerely, Dudley Delany, R.N., M.A., D.C.

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>Having overcome multiple sclerosis using an alternative treatment >suggested by the late Edgar Cayce (a man widely regarded as the father >of modern holistic medicine), I have created 49 public forums which >discuss Cayce’s approach to treating everything from acne to vitiligo. >You can see them listed in the Clubs section of my Yahoo! profile at

Oh?  Who (other than you) considers Cayce "the father of modern holistic medicine"?  Most of his prescriptions were run-of-the-mill for quackery of the day, which would have been known to his osteopath freind Laney, who conducted the Cayce "readings".  Some of his prescriptions were just plain stupid, like eating Jerusalem artichokes for diabetes. In a reading, Cayce said they contain "insulin".  The entity Cayce was channeling must have had a reading comprehension problem, because there’s no "insulin" in Jerusalem artichokes, but a significant amount of "inulin". Does your web site also discuss Cayce’s predictions concerning certain geological events that were supposed to occur in the 1960’s and 1970’s?  Such as the western part of North America being submerged under the Pacific Ocean?  Northern Europe disappearing "in the twinkling of an eye".  Atlantis rising from the ocean?  I’m still waiting….. In fact, Cayce predicted his own reincarnation, around the turn of the century (i.e. about now).  He would be reincarnated in a town along the Pacific coast…. of Nebraska! For more information, I recommend reading EDGAR CAYCE ON ATLANTIS, written by his son Hugh Lynn Cayce.  I wonder what that guy does for a living these days?  Does the A.R.E. receive enough donations to support him?

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I have a very good friend who suffers from very severe period pains, and she has not yet found a method of treatment that helps her (I’m lucky, Nurofen always works for me! – although I wouldn’t mind knowing if Raspberry Leaf OR Wild Yam is best in the herbal field) Can anyone suggest an alternative remedy, ie. herbal, dietary supplements, homeopathic, or aromatherapy, that might be effective for her to check out? Preferably one that doesn’t cost a small fortune, because she’s presently unemployed, and can’t afford very expensive supplements, some cost

Hi, Pain People!      My wife has always had problems with migraines. Now that she’s pregnant, phar- -maceutical interventions are supposed to be avoided. She does have Lortab 7.5 and her Ob Dr. said if the pain (from an unrelated car wreck ) was intolerable, that she could take 1 or 2 if necessary. She tried, but they don’t even touch it. We’ve tried cold packs, aromatherapy, massage.. no relief! Any suggestions? She is really hurting, and I hate not being able to help her. "Is there a Doctor in the house?"  ~~Still in one Peace~~           Harley <><

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FB posted: >Hi, Pain People! >     My wife has always had problems with migraines. Now that she’s >pregnant, phar- >-maceutical interventions are supposed to be avoided.

I don’t know if it is OK for a pregnant woman to take Pamelor or Elavil, but in small doses they can be effective in preventing headaches. I had a headache for 5 months straight and a measley 10mgs of pamelor switched off the worst of it. Jim Mas rapido! http://members.aol.com/Motomij/yourhere.html

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<<<I don’t know if it is OK for a pregnant woman to take Pamelor or Elavil, but in small doses they can be effective in preventing headaches. I had a headache for 5 months straight and a measley 10mgs of pamelor switched off the worst of it.>>>>> I’m a female with Chronic pain and I have pondered the idea of having another baby.  I take Pamelor and I looked it up to see if it was safe during pregnancy and it is the ONLY anti-deppresent that has been shown to NOT cause problems with the developing baby.  The other thing is, when I was preggers with my second baby I got a headche from H*LL and it lasted a few days and all they let me take was Tylenol. My OB told me that headaches during the first trimester are not uncommon.  I have talked to a woman who suffered from chronic headaches and she told me she was on Valium (for the headaches) and when she got preggers she had to abruptly stop them.  She told me that her DR put her on SOMA, and she took it the entire pregnancy.  I was sort of suprised as SOMA has so many side effects.  I know another woman who had ot have her gallbladder out during her 4month and she was taking 2 darvocet’s every 4 hours before and after surgery and that was for a few weeks.  I think narcotics are safe during pregnancy if they have to be used and for a short period of time.  I think your wife should call the OB and ask if it would be ok to have a percocet or something a little stronger like that to try and knock the headache away FAST…I know how much that stinks =(   I hope she is feeling better SOON =) If she ever wants to talk give her my screen name =) Kim

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Harley, Take her to an accupuncturist.  They can be very effective in ridding one of headaches and can show her some home therapy to use.  I believe this might help her. Alice

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Having been down this road myself: 1.  Please have her BP checked. 2.  Try hot packs. 3.  Cut the salt consumption. 4.  Eat lots of SMALL meals . . . basically snack through the day. 5.  Keep track of what she does / eats prior to the migraines showing up . . . lots of women develop new sensitivities during pregnancy. 6.  Try biofeedback. Give her my best; I hope something works. Chris Owens – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi, Pain People! >      My wife has always had problems with migraines. Now that she’s > pregnant, phar- > -maceutical interventions are supposed to be avoided. She does have > Lortab 7.5 and her Ob Dr. said if the pain (from an unrelated car wreck > ) was intolerable, that she could take 1 or 2 if necessary. She tried, > but they don’t even touch it. We’ve tried cold packs, aromatherapy, > massage.. > no relief! Any suggestions? She is really hurting, and I hate not being > able to help her. "Is there a Doctor in the house?" >  ~~Still in one Peace~~ >           Harley <><

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I’m not a doctor, but have her talk to her ob or go to a Neurologist inthe area-ask them to prescribe OXYCONTIN.  A co-worker of mine is pregnant and has always had migraines-real bad. Her OB would not treat her headaches so she went to a Neurologist who prescribed Oxycontin. She is doing great and it won’t harm the fetus. Let me know what happens. All I know is that Oxycontin does not give the "high" and the rush that Lortab will-it doesn’t peak like that and is taken every 12 hours!!! Try it!!

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Treatments on "guesses" now!  Just look at a child, diagnose parasites of some unknown kind, start doing detox work on said child.  Every parents dream practitioner. Yeah… new rule.  Automatically detox everyone for parasites. — Carol …. Eat at the Roadkill Cafe: : Hell, need to do detox on something or other so might as well presume : parasites. : : It’s gotta do wonders for the motor control, too, the "poor thing". : That rule should be in a medical textbook somewhere. :

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What makes you think she has "parasites" up to her eyeballs?  What kind would she have? — Carol …. The Cardiologist’s diet: if it tastes good, spit it out. : Question,
:   She definately has to detox, I feel she is probably up to the
: eyeballs in parasites.

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Hell, need to do detox on something or other so might as well presume parasites. It’s gotta do wonders for the motor control, too, the "poor thing". > What makes you think she has "parasites" up to her eyeballs?  What kind > would she have? > — > Carol …. > The Cardiologist’s diet: if it tastes good, spit it out.

That rule should be in a medical textbook somewhere.

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Question,
  Has anyone had any experience in treating cerebral palsy?
I met a lovely woman and her 5 year old daughter a few days
ago, the little one has cerebral palsy. Poor thing cant even walk.
I passed on some aromatherapy formulas I looked into.(since
my background is as an aromatherapist.) These for use against
spasms and muscle weakness in massage.
   I also recommended a change in diet, cutting out dairy and
wheat products, as I suspect these are suspect in her diet.   I’d like my partner to test her on the Omega Acu-Base, (electrodermal testing), to source out the sensitivities.   She definately has to detox, I feel she is probably up to the
eyeballs in parasites.   Now, I just was wondering which suppliments are best? She
appears to be quite active despite her inability to walk. She
seems to have a slight leaning towards downsyndrome, but
is quick to point out what she wants. Her thinking and manipulating
situations is obvious, but answers are unrelated to questions.
She’s in her own world. It’s almost like a case of autism, without
the repetitive actions.
Any suggestions? Her parents are just fed up with the treatments
given by their doctors. Nothing has worked
Thanx,
marcia..    -**** Posted from Supernews, Discussions Start Here(tm) ****- http://www.supernews.com/ – Host to the World’s Discussions & Usenet

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Hello, I dont know if using any of the supplements you mention will work, esspecially as it is caused by a psychological problem.  However I feel there would be no harm and possible good will be gained. Also you could try an Aromatherapy approch.  There are a number of Essential oils that are reputed to have an Aphrodisiac effect.  I can not say for sure if it is the effect of the oils or the action of massage that makes this method of dealing with impotence so effective, it is probably a combination of the two. When using Essential oils with massage is used,  the action of the massage will stimulate both partners, and help both people relax. Often with psychological impotence, the fear of not being able to "Perform" increases stress levels and stress will always decrease the ability to obtain an errection.   Further as you need reduce the need to perform, you can use massage with Essential oils as an alternative to sexual intercourse, thus reducing the stress and the psychological impediment that is causing the problem. It is important that you undertake this type of approch with the help and guidence of your doctor or psychologist. The recipe that my clients have reported the most success with is: Angelica Root           {Angelica Archangelica}  5 drops Celery Seed             {Apium Graveolens}      5 drops Clary Sage              {Salvia Scaleria}               5 drops Patchouli               {Pogostemon Patchouli}  5 drops Sandalwood Mysore       {Santalum Album}        5 drops Ylang Ylang             {Cananga Odorata}       5 drops                         diluted to 5% in 30ml of carrier oil. Personally I like either Jojoba oil or Macadamia Nut oil as the carrier oil, but any suitable vegetable carrier oil will surfice. It is very important to note that you must not apply the oils to any of the delicate tissue of the virgina or the anus, nor should this blend be used as a sexual lubricant either. As a foot note, this recipe and approch has been used by couples who were having trouble concieving due to stress, now have the children they wanted. I hope the information helps. >Is it effective to try and treat psychological impotence with natural >supplements? I started using Korean Ginseng, Damiana, Oats, L-Arginine,and >Tribula Terrestris for this problem, but I haven’t used them long enough to see >any effects. Should I continue using natural supplements or should I be using a >more psychologically oriented approach? Any suggestions would be appreciated, >Thanks

Aromatherapy E-Mail Discussion Group http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hunters/index.html

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vvviiiaaaagggrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! michael

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>vvviiiaaaagggrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

At $10.00 each plus side effects, I’ll count that out. Being that my problem is 100% psychological and actually not very severe, as compared to others, I will stick with only natural and alternative medicine. Viagra isn’t for a 21 year old like me, who just gets a little bit too nervous sometimes.

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> Is it effective to try and treat psychological impotence with natural > supplements? I started using Korean Ginseng, Damiana, Oats, L-Arginine,and > Tribula Terrestris for this problem, but I haven’t used them long enough to see > any effects. Should I continue using natural supplements or should I be using a > more psychologically oriented approach? Any suggestions would be appreciated, > Thanks

Try marijuana to break down the pyschological barrier its natural and alternative.

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natural supplements will successfully address a psychological limitation. Who diagnosed it as psychological? Did they suggest any therapy? Better question – where did you get that list of stuff to take for it? DJ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Is it effective to try and treat psychological impotence with natural > supplements? I started using Korean Ginseng, Damiana, Oats, L-Arginine,and > Tribula Terrestris for this problem, but I haven’t used them long enough to see > any effects. Should I continue using natural supplements or should I be using a > more psychologically oriented approach? Any suggestions would be appreciated, > Thanks

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Is it effective to try and treat psychological impotence with natural supplements? I started using Korean Ginseng, Damiana, Oats, L-Arginine,and Tribula Terrestris for this problem, but I haven’t used them long enough to see any effects. Should I continue using natural supplements or should I be using a more psychologically oriented approach? Any suggestions would be appreciated, Thanks

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It’s probably different for each individual, but I couldn’t help noticing that whenever I take Kava Kava, I get horney as hell – even more than usual. Nex     "Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms,         perhaps then in spring time our hearts would be at peace."                           Ariwara no Narihira

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An all natural product called Cobra performance enhancer made by Pep Products Inc. seems to be very helpful and works quickly.  It is available through most helath food stores.

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> Is it effective to try and treat psychological impotence with natural > supplements? I started using Korean Ginseng, Damiana, Oats, L-Arginine,and > Tribula Terrestris for this problem, but I haven’t used them long enough to see > any effects. Should I continue using natural supplements or should I be using a > more psychologically oriented approach? Any suggestions would be appreciated, > Thanks

Go to alt.support.impotence We have the answers. — Jerry Sturdivant

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>Some "environmental" factor that are well known to cause Parkinson’s disease >and Parkinsonian symptoms are the drugs that act on the doperminergic >pathways, in particular drugs used in "treatment" (i use that term very >loosely of mental distresses, in particular the ‘neuroleptic drugs’ (such as

Well, to be precise, they don’t cause Parkinson’s DISEASE (which to the best of my knowledge is idiopathic degeneration of the substantia nigra), they cause Parkinsonism, which is a syndrome with the same symptoms as PD proper. Muhammed Ali, for instance, suffers from Parkinsonism, not PD. Michael J Fox, on the other hand, has early onset PD IIRC. /mattias

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Good point, thanks for the correction. >Regards >Andrew Austin. >– >NLP, Neurology, Schizophrenia:  http://www.23NLPeople.com > >Some "environmental" factor that are well known to cause Parkinson’s >disease > >and Parkinsonian symptoms are the drugs that act on the doperminergic > >pathways, in particular drugs used in "treatment" (i use that term very > >loosely of mental distresses, in particular the ‘neuroleptic drugs’ (such >as > Well, to be precise, they don’t cause Parkinson’s DISEASE (which to > the best of my knowledge is idiopathic degeneration of the substantia > nigra), they cause Parkinsonism, which is a syndrome with the same > symptoms as PD proper. Muhammed Ali, for instance, suffers from > Parkinsonism, not PD. Michael J Fox, on the other hand, has early > onset PD IIRC. > /mattias

Other possible causes of Parkinsons. http://home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/wsn86CD.html http://ens.lycos.com/ens/jan2001/2001L-01-03-06.html http://www.geocities.com/toothk/media2.html http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/2888/list.html http://vibrancy.homestead.com/Mercury.html http://toxlaw.com/toxboard/topic2016/6.27.01.09.51.38.html http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Lmercury.htm

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Good point, thanks for the correction. Regards Andrew Austin. — NLP, Neurology, Schizophrenia:  http://www.23NLPeople.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Some "environmental" factor that are well known to cause Parkinson’s disease >and Parkinsonian symptoms are the drugs that act on the doperminergic >pathways, in particular drugs used in "treatment" (i use that term very >loosely of mental distresses, in particular the ‘neuroleptic drugs’ (such as > Well, to be precise, they don’t cause Parkinson’s DISEASE (which to > the best of my knowledge is idiopathic degeneration of the substantia > nigra), they cause Parkinsonism, which is a syndrome with the same > symptoms as PD proper. Muhammed Ali, for instance, suffers from > Parkinsonism, not PD. Michael J Fox, on the other hand, has early > onset PD IIRC. > /mattias

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Having been away I have missed some of the earlier posts in this thread. Whilst Parkinson’s disease is beleived to result from [an] "environmental factor[s]" one problem with this is that the expected geographical "clusters" of the disease fail to occur.  This may be due to the delayed onset of symptoms from time of exposure and the migratory nature of people in this age. Some "environmental" factor that are well known to cause Parkinson’s disease and Parkinsonian symptoms are the drugs that act on the doperminergic pathways, in particular drugs used in "treatment" (i use that term very loosely of mental distresses, in particular the ‘neuroleptic drugs’ (such as chlorpromazine (thorazine), haloperidol (haldol) etc).  I am aware of some references to the SSRI’s inducing a similar syndrome (after many years of use) and have seen patients with quite a severe Parkinson’s disease after a relatively short term administration of  Stemetil (prochlorperizine) – a drug commonly used for nausea (it`s a standard post operative drug here in the UK) – this is a neuroleptic that was withdrawn from psychiatric prescription owing to it’s high incidence of TD/Parkinson’s induction, but is used in smaller doses, mostly given by naive nursing staff who have not never heard of iatrogenic Parkinson’s related disorders or TD.  Another dopamine antagonist, Metoclopramide, which is believed to act on the vagus nerve, thus reducing nausea and promoting gastric emptying may also be implicated – i once saw a patient with a sudden onset of parkinsonian symptoms (rotational tremor of intention, "jaw wobbling", intermittant oculogyric crisis) one week after commencing daily metoclopramide – the only concominant medication was a daily 20 mg of prozac. One of the strangest thing i have seen is that whilst working in neurology, i was the only member of the nursing staff that was aware of TD and it`s relationship to neuroleptic drugs (TD didn`t exist prior to 1954 when chlorpromazine was introduced as the "miracle drug that emptied the asylums"). Another dopamine anagonist, but one that isn`t supposed to ross the blood-brain barrier is "domperidone" – a drug that i believe is sold OTC in some countries (not here in the UK).  I somehow suspect that this isn`t quite true following a rather rapid induction of an ocular-gyric crisis after i took this drug whilst being treated for a typhoid infection. But them, maybe i ate some aluminium…..Hah! Regards, Andrew Austin. Alive in Southampton, UK. — NLP, Neurology, Schizophrenia:  http://www.23NLPeople.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >That’s funny, most scientific references to Parkinson’s reference >> >genetics and pesticides. >> Er…. Pesticides? >Er…. yes. Was my sentence not clear? > My hesitation was directed towards the contents, rather than the > semantics. I do know what pesticides are, but I did not know that > pesticides are known to cause PD. In fact, I still don’t think so, so > I would be very grateful if you could provide me with a reference. > /mattias

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>> >That’s funny, most scientific references to Parkinson’s reference > >genetics and pesticides. > Er…. Pesticides? >Er…. yes. Was my sentence not clear?

My hesitation was directed towards the contents, rather than the semantics. I do know what pesticides are, but I did not know that pesticides are known to cause PD. In fact, I still don’t think so, so I would be very grateful if you could provide me with a reference. /mattias

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> >That’s funny, most scientific references to Parkinson’s reference >genetics and pesticides. > Er…. Pesticides?

Er…. yes. Was my sentence not clear? — Known to annoy: http://www.watchingyou.com

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Do you have any insight at all? > I don’t have insight THAT far back, uncle Lou.

– Robert Bronsing

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> That’s funny, most scientific references to Parkinson’s reference > genetics and pesticides.

Pesticides–that too.  http://www.whale.to/v/pesticides.html john

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>That’s funny, most scientific references to Parkinson’s reference >genetics and pesticides.

Er…. Pesticides? /mattias

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>The mechanism by which aluminum and mercury interact with the brain’s >substantia nigra is far beyond my scope as a healer. Let me state that >removal of these metals from one’s lifestytle will improve your quality >of life tremendously.

You said they cause Parkinson’s. How do you know? /mattias

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The mechanism by which aluminum and mercury interact with the brain’s substantia nigra is far beyond my scope as a healer. Let me state that removal of these metals from one’s lifestytle will improve your quality of life tremendously. http://community.webtv.net/KingJaguar/JaguarHealing

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I don’t have insight THAT far back, uncle Lou.

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> > > I do believe aluminum to be the primary culprit here, so use Pyrex > > cookware or stainless steel only. And don’t use antiperspirants. > So Parkinson’s didn’t exist prior to, say, 1920? > He/she didn’t say "all".  

No, just "primary culprit". > I think aluminium has been around for some time > dear, after all the patent of first pesticide sprayer was in 1873.

I see. So Parkinson’s didn’t exist until 1873. > Another cause is mercury amalgam and cavitations

That’s funny, most scientific references to Parkinson’s reference genetics and pesticides. — Known to annoy: http://www.watchingyou.com

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I believe that as well! Toxic metals!

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>> So Parkinson’s didn’t exist prior to, say, 1920? >He/she didn’t say "all".   I think aluminium has been around for some time >dear, after all the patent of first pesticide sprayer was in 1873. >Another cause is mercury amalgam and cavitations

Du you have a tentative mechanism by which aluminum and mercury cause selective degeneration of the substantia nigra? /mattias

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> I do believe aluminum to be the primary culprit here, so use Pyrex > cookware or stainless steel only. And don’t use antiperspirants.

So Parkinson’s didn’t exist prior to, say, 1920? — Known to annoy: http://www.watchingyou.com

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I get intuitive messages from above and then I relay them to you kind souls. Where would I be without my critics to keep me on my toes!

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Well, the whole physical REALM we’re in is unreal. It is a created reality. The secret to Jesus’ healing power is that he had an absolute KNOWING that we are in a dream. So that being said, all things become possible! Just like when we dream.

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> I do believe aluminum to be the primary culprit here, so use Pyrex > cookware or stainless steel only. And don’t use antiperspirants. > So Parkinson’s didn’t exist prior to, say, 1920?

He/she didn’t say "all".   I think aluminium has been around for some time dear, after all the patent of first pesticide sprayer was in 1873. Another cause is mercury amalgam and cavitations john

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>I do believe aluminum to be the primary culprit here,

Oh right, is that so. Well thanks for telluing us. I take it to ,be ‘true’ then? The Gospel truth so to speak? >so use Pyrex >cookware or stainless steel only. And don’t use antiperspirants. Notice >how many celebrities are coming down with this disorder.

Funny you should say that. >These are >people who want dry underarms at all costs.

Of course!!!!!  How come I never got the connection? It’s all so blatently obvious now –  they all use metalic deodorant. Ding, Dong ! >Nonmetallic deodorant folks.

What if I don’t use a deodorant? This guy is unreal. Bob

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I do believe aluminum to be the primary culprit here, so use Pyrex cookware or stainless steel only. And don’t use antiperspirants. Notice how many celebrities are coming down with this disorder. These are people who want dry underarms at all costs. Nonmetallic deodorant folks. http://community.webtv.net/KingJaguar/JaguarHealing

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I’m trying to find others who have Parkinson’s and are working holistically with it.   I believe that healing comes from within and that therefore external cures such as drugs, herbs, diet etc are only of limited use.  For Parkinson’s this probably means working with the symptoms rather than constantly fighting or trying to get rid of them.   Would love to hear from others with similar ideas, in particular about Parkinson’s. Seamus

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Tuohy) writes: >I’m trying to find others who have Parkinson’s and are working >holistically with it.   >I believe that healing comes from within and that therefore external >cures such as drugs, herbs, diet etc are only of limited use.  For >Parkinson’s this probably means working with the symptoms rather than >constantly fighting or trying to get rid of them.  

I don’t agree with your belief, but someone who does is Louise Hay.  She has written a number of books on healing using spiritual methods.  They don’t work for me, but apparently they work for some.  She claims to have cured herself of cancer.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> (David Rix) writes: > >>Does anyone have any information on any alternative therapies for > Parkinson’s? > David: I’ve seen some positive results with biomagnetic products > specifically, NIKKEN, marketed in North America. It’s worth a try. >What is NIKKEN ? >Where can I get more information about NIKKEN ? >PLEASE share any experience you know about wrt NIKKEN. >THANKS, >-mcg

You can see the product line at the web page listed below.  I too have heard some good reports.  Primarily with improved sleep. All the best, Jim Total Health Marketing         |ph. 801/553-8716   fax 801/553-1606 Nikken Independent Distributors|http://www.xmission.com/~total/health.html                                |ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/users/t/total/

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Does anyone have any information on any alternative therapies for Parkinson’s? I know about anti-oxidants, homeopathic remedies (which haven’t worked). I am inquiring for a very dear friend of mine. — Adam Peritz  * Origin: Medical System Munich – medsys.mu

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Does anyone have any information on any alternative therapies for Parkinson’s? I know about anti-oxidants, homeopathic remedies (which haven’t worked). I am inquiring for a very dear friend of mine. — Adam Peritz

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Does anyone have any information on any alternative therapies for Parkinson’s? I know about anti-oxidants, homeopathic remedies (which haven’t worked). I am inquiring for a very dear friend of mine. — Adam Peritz

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#Does anyone have any information on any alternative therapies for Parkinson’s? #I know about anti-oxidants, homeopathic remedies (which haven’t worked). #I am inquiring for a very dear friend of mine. # #– #Adam Peritz  Two things:    I have a file on it somewhere, and there is a mailing list.  Should    I send this info?  If so, to what address, since I tried to reach    your address privately but it bounced.  TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility) |  Voice:  604-222-1047 loc 6327/6278  4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS         |  FAX:    604-222-1074  University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., CANADA   V6T 2A3   Damien says " If you don’t STAND for SOMETHING, you’ll FALL for ANYTHING "  These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question.  They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers.

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: any information on any alternative therapies for Parkinson’s? #I : know about anti-oxidants, homeopathic remedies (which haven’t : worked). #I am inquiring for a very dear friend of mine. If those homeopathic remedies were not doctor prescribed, you are lucky they ‘didn’t work.’ Parkinson’s is a chronic, degenerative disease–not the sort of thing to self-treat with deep-acting homeopathic agents.

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#Does anyone have any information on any alternative therapies for Parkinson’s? #I know about anti-oxidants, homeopathic remedies (which haven’t worked). #I am inquiring for a very dear friend of mine. # #– #Adam Peritz  Two things:    I have a file on it somewhere, and there is a mailing list.  Should    I send this info?  If so, to what address, since I tried to reach    your address privately but it bounced.  TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility) |  Voice:  604-222-1047 loc 6327/6278  4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS         |  FAX:    604-222-1074  University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., CANADA   V6T 2A3   Damien says " If you don’t STAND for SOMETHING, you’ll FALL for ANYTHING "  These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question.  They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers.  * Origin: Medical System Munich – medsys.muc.de (80:89/999.0)

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>Does anyone have any information on any alternative therapies for Parkinson’s? >I know about anti-oxidants, homeopathic remedies (which haven’t worked). >I am inquiring for a very dear friend of mine. >– >Adam Peritz

I discovered a book called Smart Drugs and Nutrients which has many interesting things about what can maybe help both Parkinsons and Altziemers as well as some other memory etc disorders. I am in Sydney Australia, but the book comes from B&J Publications PO Box 483-903 Santa Cruz Ca 95061-0483. It’s about $12 or so.  I wish your friend well !

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(David Rix) writes: >Does anyone have any information on any alternative therapies for Parkinson’s? >I know about anti-oxidants, homeopathic remedies (which haven’t worked). >I am inquiring for a very dear friend of mine. >– >Adam Peritz >I discovered a book called Smart Drugs and Nutrients which has many >interesting things about what can maybe help both Parkinsons and Altziemers >as well as some other memory etc disorders. I am in Sydney Australia, but >the book comes from B&J Publications PO Box 483-903 Santa Cruz Ca 95061-0483. >It’s about $12 or so.  I wish your friend well !

David: I’ve seen some positive results with biomagnetic products specifically, NIKKEN, marketed in North America. It’s worth a try.

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> (David Rix) writes: >>Does anyone have any information on any alternative therapies for > Parkinson’s? > David: I’ve seen some positive results with biomagnetic products > specifically, NIKKEN, marketed in North America. It’s worth a try.

What is NIKKEN ? Where can I get more information about NIKKEN ? PLEASE share any experience you know about wrt NIKKEN. THANKS, -mcg

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> Any >suggestions for food, herbs etc that may help slow the effects of this

disease would be greatly appreciated. Fava beans – especially the sprouts – are rich in l-dopa.  Also, gingko and passionflower have been recommended.

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Hi, This is a disorder of the basal ganglia group of cells in the brain, these transmit messages to the nerves and muscles.  When they degenerate voluntry movements become impaired.  Each case is unique depending upon the extent of the degeneration of nerve cells.  The use of Essential oils and the action of massage can really help cope with the siffness that often accompanies this condition. All of these oils have an effect upon the Central nervious system;         Basil, Bergamot, Geranium, Hop, Lavender, Lemon, Marjoram,               Nutmeg, Orange, Rosemary,  Thyme, Valerian. A massage blend of;         Basil  Sweet    {Ocimum Basilicum}      7 drops         Lemon           {Citrus Limonum}                5 drops         Marjoram Sweet  {Origanum Marjorana}      8 drops         Rosemary        {Rosmarinus Officinalis}   8 drops         Valerian Root   {Valeriana Walachi}     2 drops Diluted to 30ml in a vegetable carrier oil like Sweet Almond.  This can be massaged on to the limbs and the upper an lower back.   I have noticed an improvement in co-ordination of clients I have treated with Parkinsons.  But the major effect is less muscle stiffness thus a better self management for the sufferer. Further as depression can accompany the condition a blend of;         Lavender 40/42  {Lavendula Angustifolia}         Orange  {Citrus Aurantium var Dulcis}         Bergamot        {Citrus Bergamia} one drop of each oil in a warm bath helps ensure the spirit of the sufferer is not overwhelmed by the condition. However a word of caution, just as Essential Oils can help, they can also effect other pre existing conditions, so do take care not over use the oils.  I hope this helps a little though. >Hi, >The father of a friend of mine has just been diagnosed with Parkinsons.  Any >suggestions for food, herbs etc that may help slow the effects of this disease >would be greatly appreciated. >Thanks in advance

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There has been some indication that the B vitamins choline and inositol have helped some Parkinson’s and Alz. patients. A recently, but not widely available B-vitamin/antioxidant, has shown great promise for nerve type disorders is vitamin B15, or pangamic acid. Gingko bilboa, Siberian Ginseng, Gotu Kola, Kava kava root are herbs traditionally used to enhance the blood circulation in brain tissue. There is more detailed info on my website  http://www.naturalmom.com and go to the vitamin/mineral/herbal guide.  Vitamins are listed along with food sources, herbal sources and supplementation guidelines for each vitamin and mineral.. Help yourself. always harvesting food for thought, Skyfarmer

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Hi, The father of a friend of mine has just been diagnosed with Parkinsons.  Any suggestions for food, herbs etc that may help slow the effects of this disease would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance

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> Hi, > The father of a friend of mine has just been diagnosed with Parkinsons.  Any > suggestions for food, herbs etc that may help slow the effects of this disease > would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks in advance

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