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>So tell your friends inother webs to find me here if they are seeking….

After all, there’s a seeker born every minute. >In response to how essence, oils and fruits differ; >  The understanding I have is that the essence is an electrical remedy; >that is that it works quite quickly to make its impact at an ionic >level.  It therefore affects areas and bodies not generally >acknowledged in the straight scientific medical community but which are >known to sages and yogas; the etheric, emotional, and mental bodies, as >well as the physical vehicle.

This sounds pretty dubious to me.  Note that I am NOT saying whether these remedies work or not.  I have no idea.  Never tried ‘em.  Never even seen ‘em.  However, tossing in terms like "electrical" and "ionic", which have clearly-defined meanings in physics, puts some responsibility on you to show that they have meaning here.  It’s perfectly OK to say "this stuff seems to work, but frankly, we don’t know how", but to ascribe some sort of mystical "ionic" properties is simply hogwash. Unfortunately, most of us aren’t sages or yogis.   — David Wright, Hitachi Computer Products (America), Inc.  Waltham, MA      Hitachi’s, though they are the opinions of all Right-Thinking People

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Monica: I was wondering: my wife Nancy, who is learning about   aromatherapy/essences was told about a Bulletin Board (?)  named NATIA (National Aroma Therapy Institute of America, I think…) Have you, or anyone else in misc.health.alternative heard about this BBS/info-source? Thanks, Charlie — Charlie Baker Center for Computer Music Research and Composition University of California at Santa Barbara

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> This sounds pretty dubious to me.  Note that I am NOT saying whether > these remedies work or not.  I have no idea.  Never tried ‘em.  Never > even seen ‘em.  However, tossing in terms like "electrical" and > "ionic", which have clearly-defined meanings in physics, puts some > responsibility on you to show that they have meaning here.  It’s > perfectly OK to say "this stuff seems to work, but frankly, we don’t > know how", but to ascribe some sort of mystical "ionic" properties is > simply hogwash.

It is generally known, in both older practices and our own basis for understanding Western medicine, that all functions are ultimately mediated at the electrical level.  In cellular biology, we know that a membrane’s permeability is subject to a flow of positive and negative ions over a barrier.  At some point the overall charge becomes either negative or positive , thus determining whether fluid will cross into one inner space or another. This is our basis for understanding how anything moves in our bodies; cells, muscle groups, etc. So, even Western practitioners of medicine and nursing understand that this aspect of how we function has been proven, through repeated testing in labs on animals and humans.  The knowledge is part of any good physiology course. Where my understanding needs expansion is in the realm of how the flower pattern actually is imprinted on the water through the sun, but again, I do not find this too difficult to grasp either.  I can hypothesize that there is a direct application from the sun of energy from it’s heat and light which, like the photosynthetic process in plant leaves, sets off a series of actions between the flower petal and the water.  We see this process visibly when we make sun tea.  There is a cross membrane transfer, and in the case of tea, pigmentations and other organic substances are moved out of the leaves into a solution of water or H2O which stays there.  There is physics involved.  This transfer from the medium of a denser level, the leaf, to the aqueous solution water in the presence of heat is a classical exothermic reaction.  That is both a description of a chemical and a physical chain reaction. But I don’t have a PhD. in any of these fields, and I would love the comments and hypotheses of those who have a greater understanding. Peace,Monica "The Course in Miracles is the Only Required Course in life."                            -A Course in Miracles

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Hi Folks- Well I’m confining my postings to here and the Dartmouth newsgroups I originated from now on.  So tell your friends inother webs to find me here if they are seeking…. Anyway, Happy Labor Day to the People!  I’m posting some answers to some questions: In response to how essence, oils and fruits differ;   The understanding I have is that the essence is an electrical remedy; that is that it works quite quickly to make its impact at an ionic level.  It therefore affects areas and bodies not generally acknowledged in the straight scientific medical community but which are known to sages and yogas; the etheric, emotional, and mental bodies, as well as the physical vehicle. All food is a form of light or energy which nourishes and feeds our bodies.  The fruit has sources of many trace minerals and simple carbohydrates, along with roughage and other chemicals both organic and inorganic which are needed at the cellular level to maintain homeostasis. An oil acts at the neuro-receptor level where molecules are picked up through the olfactory system to affect change, and I notice they are linked to the glandular, hormonal systems and linked to certain smell-triggered memories.  Just as music does trigger memory, these can be agents therapists use to open the unconscious of a client to access repressed memories. Food ingested is our fuel; our gas.  Essences are like electrical tune-ups which make sure our spark plugs are firing at proper sequences and times.  Oils oil things… essential oils are using the same plant pattern, but in a different vehicle.  They oil manners of civilization, the need for warmth and touch, and help define an atmosphere or environment. In response to legal responsibilities;   I am fully aware of my responsibilities.  I am also aware of the side-effects of many MD prescribed drugs and medicines, and although I am new to these (flower essences) myself, I am finding them personally and professionally useful.  Ultimately I am free to recommend anything I believe will help someone solve a health crisis.  And even if the essences did not have anything in them at all but the water and a stabilizing vehicle,(either brandy or vinegar) in the droplet amounts they are suggested to be taken in, they fulfill the first law of medicine which is "do no harm". It is also a good ethical question to consider whether it is O.K. to hold out a "magic feather" to someone, a placebo or other talisman which the client is believing has a power to effect change.  I believe such an approach is also valid because it invests the transaction with the client’s conscious intent, which is to affect positive change. There is this aspect to any healing relationship. Finally in terms of verifying or denying the specific claims made about the essence; this choice is left fully up to the consumer.  That is how all ethical business is conducted, whether nursing or otherwise. The essences work at the ionic, or electrical level to work on the specific areas identified with each essence.  Nothing ventured, nothing gained.  I would never recommend any treatment I had not personally experimented with and tried with other totally voluntary subjects. Again, thank you for your input. Monica In response to "marketing"; Thanks you for the input.  I am recommending certain products in general which are NATURE’S.  They may have been packaged by humans, but they can be gathered by anyone knowledgeable.  For free.  More than anything I am using the net to educate, both myself and the public. In the course of nursing and medical counsel we recommend certain products routinely, sometimes referring to brand names, other times, to the generic.  It is part of a healer’s practice to do so.  Flower essences are a form of remedy which have been around since the 1920s. They are a class of remedy, just as homeopathic remedies are, or antipyretics or anti-depressants.  Such counsel is a standard part of practice, given in the context of taking a comprehensive history and making an assessment in concert with a client about how to alleviate suffering.  This is certainly an ongoing academic concern and quest. For the reasons you cited, I have not quoted prices in a direct posting, although alluding to their relative value in terms of ability of most people to explore and afford them is also a relevant topic in an academic conversation, particularly in the midst of an international health care crisis.  Again, thank you for you input. Monica In response to "appropriateness"; I am a registered nurse concerned with world public health.  You are in error.  I have a license to practice my profession as I see fit. Mostly I offer counseling.  Occasionally I also recommend certain natural substances which aid this end.  I do not force anyone to a)read my byline or b) order any product recommended.  I respect each person’s exercise of free will in all regards, including yours which allows you to write in the tone you have chosen.M "The Course in Miracles is the Only Required Course in life."                            -A Course in Miracles

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